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PostPosted: 09:41 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: THINK! advert campaign ? Reply with quote

On channel 4 last night just after 1am there was a THINK! road safety advert on featuring a bike (I was tired and a little drunk so the description ends at it being a red bike, no idea what make). The guy was riding along and there were road signs for diesel spills, cars pulling out, horse shit on the road, tight corners, etc.

The point of the advert being 'wouldn't it be nice if all the hazards were sign-posted, but they're not, so be careful'. In my semi-concious state it dawned on me that a better time for adverts about bike safety would have been maybe May, June, July etc, when the weather gets better and not the tail end of September when many people are putting their bikes away for the winter.

Does anyone know if I missed the whole campaign or is it badly timed ? (or maybe advert time on C4 at 1am is cheap Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats cause there idiots they put it on at that time Wink
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone who hasn't seen it, here is the clip.

https://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campaigns/motorcycles/download/perfectday.mpg
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

that advert has been around since about march!!

i am not a fan of the "THINK" campaigns. although that advert is ok, there are numerous billnoards aimed at bikes saying:

"THINK, the road is not a racetrack"

of course what they mean is:

"THINK, every cager out there is trying to kill you, be careful"

What they are doing is putting the emphasis on us to watch out for rubbish car drivers. what they need are campaigns raising awareness of bikes for cars like the one in gloucestershire (The S.M.I.D.S.Y - sorry mate i didnt see you campaign) cos it is them killing us more than us killing ourselves.

it just gets up my nose that the government aim a campaign telling us to watch out cos there are car drivers out there who lack ability and awareness.

but that advert isnt bad
rant over.

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PostPosted: 10:09 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulthewitt wrote:

it just gets up my nose that the government aim a campaign telling us to watch out cos there are car drivers out there who lack ability and awareness.


I don't have a problem with that at all. You only have to look at the posts on this forum to realise that an awful lot of bikers haven't grasped the concept yet so why not reinforce it?

You can try and make drivers bike-friendly all you like, for the most part it's not going to make a jot of difference. But if you aim the message toward the biker, the far more interested party on the basis of who's going to be the one getting hurt, it might actually stick.

Might not be 'fair' but it's how things work on the roads.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, no matter how much you say it, people who think car drivers are more at blame for bike accidents than bike riders is delusional, it's just the statistics.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clip is part of the campaign but it is long so that's why I suspect it gets run at odd times on the TV. I doubt many have seen it because of this.

It is on this DVD which you can get for £3 (which apparently includes a donation to charity).

The DVD got some poor reviews on BCF but you'll really have to make your own mind up about it.

In terms of bike safety I'm one who shouts for car drivers to take a CBT as part of the test. At least then they'll know how vunerable and often unseen bikes are. don't know why the likes of the BMF and MAG don't shout about this too (if they're thinking of tighter licence rules for bikers why not give the car one a review Rolling Eyes).

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PostPosted: 10:36 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was given that dvd by the dealer when I picked up my bike.... not the best in the world but I did think it was worth watching.

I liked the ad. Everyone knows the average car driver is a muppet. So the only thing to do is to take some personal responsibility. Roll off past junctions. Expect the car to pull out or change lanes. Assume they haven't seen you.

I think the average biker is convinced he/she is a better and more aware road user than the average car driver, so prove it.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up Good post, Keen.

BTW I believe the bike is a Ducati 999, but not wanting to give away free advertising they seem to have taken off the small decal on each side..

..despite the fact that Ducatis have the most distinguishable headlight in the world. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers Thumbs Up

yeah I'm pretty sure its a 999 as well.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty lame ad - production values smack a bit of a David Brent corporate training video.

The only really good thing about the ad is the steam coming off the cow shit. Now that's realistic.

And I can't believe he didn't flip the bird to the tractor driver. Wink Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cus the winter is worse , not only do you get folks in cars not paying attention you get folks in cars with frosted up windows driving looking out of a tiny clear bit of window trying to get to work.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

In terms of bike safety I'm one who shouts for car drivers to take a CBT as part of the test. At least then they'll know how vunerable and often unseen bikes are. don't know why the likes of the BMF and MAG don't shout about this too


They do.


map wrote:
(if they're thinking of tighter licence rules for bikers why not give the car one a review Rolling Eyes).


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PostPosted: 11:38 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest the idea of making car drivers do a CBT is nice in theory but I think its a bit unrealistic..... loads of people who drive cars or turn 17 and do their test would never dream of getting on a bike. They think that bikes are dangerous. Their parents wouldn't allow them to go pillion on a friends bike even. You can't force them to ride one. It would never happen.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keen wrote:
To be honest the idea of making car drivers do a CBT is nice in theory but I think its a bit unrealistic..... loads of people who drive cars or turn 17 and do their test would never dream of getting on a bike. They think that bikes are dangerous. Their parents wouldn't allow them to go pillion on a friends bike even. You can't force them to ride one. It would never happen.


Maybe the government needs to think about all the revenue it'll make since riding a bike has made me a much better car driver , if they forced new car drivers and older ones too to take a CBT they'd make a packet , consider this:


Cars = 30 mil licenses+ x 90CBT cost = 2700000000 profit to bike schools BUT the government gets to bite 17.5% of that as VAT and take 19% of the bike school's profits
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can try and make drivers bike-friendly all you like, for the most part it's not going to make a jot of difference. But if you aim the message toward the biker, the far more interested party on the basis of who's going to be the one getting hurt, it might actually stick


Very true,

however, i feel they should target it differently. They say

"the road is not a racetrack"

This implies we all speed and drive irresponsibly. which isnt the case. they should say

"be careful, you dont know what other people are about to do"

it just really ticks me off that they effectively transfer responsibility to us to make sure cars dont knock us off. yes we should be careful, yes we should be made more aware. but so should cars, and the ads shouldnt incriminate (directly or indirectly) bikers cos they have fast machines.

like i say the way its presented (more than the message itself) that really gets up my nose

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Plus, no matter how much you say it, people who think car drivers are more at blame for bike accidents than bike riders is delusional, it's just the statistics.


they seem to be responsible for bad accidents. look at the crash thread, all biker only crashes (yes there are more of them) have relatively minor injuries. the ones where a car is to blame there are broken bones lots or pain etc...

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PostPosted: 11:59 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keen wrote:
..the idea of making car drivers do a CBT is nice in theory but I think its a bit unrealistic....It would never happen.

IMO I don't see why not. The majority of your CBT is in a nice comfy safe off-road area. The amount of on-road stuff is very small and only done when sure you can cope. That said, with a bit of thought and common sense it could also be tweaked if required for those on for a car only CBT type course.

After all, it's only about as realistic as London taxi drivers doing the knowledge on mopeds when they have no intention of taking their fares around by two wheels Wink
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulthewitt wrote:
...i feel they should target it differently....the way its presented (more than the message itself) that really gets up my nose...

Agree with that. There's the motorway sign boards that say 'Think - Watch your speed'. I'm reading it thiking, err, no thanks, I'd rather watch out for the prat coming up behind me too close and that one in front who's just pulled out without indicating Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulthewitt wrote:

they seem to be responsible for bad accidents. look at the crash thread, all biker only crashes (yes there are more of them) have relatively minor injuries. the ones where a car is to blame there are broken bones lots or pain etc...


The meaning of 'to blame' seems to vary a lot from person to person, personally I think a lot of the accidents I've seen posted on here could have been avoided if the biker had been a bit more switched on - sure the car is the one that's made the bigger error but there are people who ride straight into the car that's halfway out the junction and there are people who successfully avoid it.

Don't get me wrong, I think car drivers should be more educated about bikes, but I also think there's an awful lot of bikers out there who need to switch their brains on. I believe there have been a couple of 'THINK' films that were more aimed at the cagers, I remember a rather graphic one (at the cinema) highlighting the need to look for bikes when turning right, and I think there was a variation on it which pitched a bit more of a 'you both need to look out for each other' kinda vibe. I like the Ducati advert cos it's basically saying 'you can go out and have a great time on your bike and be safe, provided you use your brain a bit'. Judging by the number of bike-only accidents, a few more people need to realise that.


As for motorway signs, remember they're aimed at the lowest common denominator. Those of us with a brain need not worry about them, but the ignorant masses seem to need to be told that they should slow down when it's raining, that the motorway isn't a racetrack, that fog means poor visibility...
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have often thought that it would be useful to have the single word "Think" displayed on the m/way matrix signs when they are not being used for other messages. Idea
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that ad Bendy I think, the one with the van driver and the scooter in his wing mirror. 'Now you see him, now you don't' etc.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sure the car is the one that's made the bigger error but there are people who ride straight into the car that's halfway out the junction and there are people who successfully avoid it.


i agree i had an accident or two that i could have avoided had i had more experience and had been a little more switched on.

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Don't get me wrong, I think car drivers should be more educated about bikes, but I also think there's an awful lot of bikers out there who need to switch their brains on


again, i agree, i just felt i had been misunderstood from my previous post. and yes the ducati advert is good, cos it says watch out for danger. which is a fair comment for anyone!

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PostPosted: 15:23 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a good advert even if only cars drivers have a small insight to how much more at risk a bike is compared to a car

as for blaming most accidents on car drivers, yes on the one hand its "would i have had an accident if that car didn't do that " but on the other " would an advanced police rider crashed there?" usually the answer is no they wouldn't have crashed and therefore the biker must take some responsibiltity for it Karma
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen the ad a few times and i really like it.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of bike safety I'm one who shouts for car drivers to take a CBT as part of the test. At least then they'll know how vunerable and often unseen bikes are. don't know why the likes of the BMF and MAG don't shout about this too (if they're thinking of tighter licence rules for bikers why not give the car one a review Rolling Eyes).
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