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countryhare
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 30 Sep 2005    Post subject: Tyre talk Reply with quote

I am due to change my tyres soon, has anyone any suggestions on which rubber bits I should use, have tried condoms, not very sensitive in the wet.

Honda VTR SP2 git (abuse lover)

Am using at mo Diabl's they seem ok, but room for improvement.

Help ! Confused
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 30 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try the Corsa version, they come as standard fitment on the Blade and have been good. The SP2 might eat them fairly quickly though.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 30 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Tyre talk Reply with quote

What sort of riding you do?

Where possible I tend to use race scrubs (still might have a pair left in your size for sale Razz ), £50 - £80 per set depending on wear, pretty damn grippy.
Do wear out fairly quickly, but as with everything, depends how you use them (and how many burnouts you do Confused), know people have got 1500 miles out of a rear in the past.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 30 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre pimp. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 30 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

For general road riding/scratching/thrashing you can't go wrong with Bridgestone 010's, loads of grip and reasonable longetivity.
My personal experience suggests you avoid Dunlops, they squirm loads when warm and break away very easily when cold. (Just my two p.)
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Tyres Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My personal experience suggests you avoid Dunlops, they squirm loads when warm and break away very easily when cold. (Just my two p.)


I ran Dunlop D207's last set of tyres and i found them to be brilliant. Really grippy and good in the wet. But i spose everyone is different!
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunlops Thumbs Up
2nd hand tyre????
Like wearing a second hand lid. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with race scrub tyres. What damage do you think 20laps or a race track does that the first 100miles on the road wont?
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
Nothing wrong with race scrub tyres. What damage do you think 20laps or a race track does that the first 100miles on the road wont?
J

Oh not much. Except perhaps overheated through some arse running at the wrong pressure.
But it's up to the user.
I buy new tyres and do two at a time but then I'm rich.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone is raceing then they know enough about the bike not to run at extream pressures. My tyres are race scrubbed and i've had more blueing from heat when rideing on the road than they came with!
Race scrub tyres are a very good way of getting cheeper tyres and suporting the guys and gals of british motorsport.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Except perhaps overheated through some arse running at the wrong pressure.


What if you know the arse?

And spent lots of weekends personally checking what pressure they were at?

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PostPosted: 16:03 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes used tyre are cheaper.
But it's not the safest way to enjoy motorcycling on public roads.
How are you to know the tyre were 'allways' on the track?
I bought a set of those track tyres from the English mob who remould.
Forgot the name. Thankfully Laughing
Not going to bother again.

After 1500mls they went all out of shape and I had to rebalance and after 2500 I scrapped them.

Tyres are the only part of the bike in contact with the road surface and need to be good to protect you.
I just would not trust someone else's tyres on the road.
Good for the track yes. Where if you drop the bike coz of a blow out you don't go under a truck.

The guy asked for advice I gave him good advice.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remolds are a different thig allthgether and should not be confused with race scrub tyres.
Scub tyres still produces as much and oftern more grip than a new road tyre. If you want to slide off the road into a tree on your way home from the garage thats up to you. I like to jump on my bike and know they tyres are going to stick. My race scrubs provided that confidence right from the off.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Good for the track yes. Where if you drop the bike coz of a blow out you don't go under a truck.

The guy asked for advice I gave him good advice.


So when your on the track you dont want a lot of grip?

And yes he asked for advice, you didnt give advice, you gave unfounded opinion not based in any sence of fact or motorcycle physics.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told myself I wouldn't bite, but as this is a case of advice in relation to riding bikes, I feel I should.

Walloper wrote:
But it's not the safest way to enjoy motorcycling on public roads.

You get a stickier tyre for less money. That makes it safer in my opinion.

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How are you to know the tyre were 'allways' on the track?

I'm not sure it matters where else they were? If the rider crashed with them, it's unlikely to cause damage and going to be very obvious if it did.

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I bought a set of those track tyres from the English mob who remould.
Forgot the name. Thankfully Laughing
Not going to bother again.

Remoulds are another matter and definitely not reccomended by me or anyone I've talked to. This is how ever not what we're talking about, so if your experience is based upon that, I suggust you keep your advice to that.
Remoulds are not the same as 'scrubs' which are part used tyres, rather than a new tread on an old carcass.

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I just would not trust someone else's tyres on the road.
Good for the track yes. Where if you drop the bike coz of a blow out you don't go under a truck.

No, you may well get hit by a bike doing 150mph just behind you, or highsided off your bike into the middle of the track.
If you're spending at the very least £500 a weekend, you make sure your tyres aren't going to have problems.
If you don't trust such tyres, fair enough, but can you please justify why others shouldn't buy them, rather than what seems to boil down to "you don't like the idea".

Rather than buying a second hand helmet, I would suggest this is like buying a second hand bike. You asses the condition it's in and consider what you pay for it.
Race scrub tyres will have lost a bit of grip through heat cycles - why they are being sold, after all. However they will still offer a massive amount more grip than 'normal' road tyres.
Even a seriously abused tyre will offer more grip than most road tyres I expect - and will be easier to tell because the tyre's condition is much more obvious.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Re: Tyre talk Reply with quote

G wrote:
...know people have got 1500 miles out of a rear in the past.


My god.
I got 9000 miles out of a BT45 rear on the NSR.

The RS has metzeler sportecs on, they feel very soft just when i prod and poke them - how long will they last on the RS? Confused
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got 9000 miles out of a BT45 rear on the NSR.


That is because your NSR was kicking out at most 26/27 BHP and is a very light bike so doesnt eat tyres as much as a larger bike would.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Tyres Reply with quote

Well guys you have all had given me an assortment to choose from,I really need someone who has a SP2, as these machines are a hand full I am not saying your bikes are much different to mine, but you know what V twins are like, with so much torque on the rear wheel. I used RR Dunlops on my Firestorm, ye very good when hot but in the wet like riding on soap, and cold forget it.
A difficult one, I have fallen off to many times in the past, my fought thou, been bloody lucky I suppose, don't want to trash my baby, took me a long time to get this beauty.
I hear you say, well don't ride like a pratt then, I like the adrenalin rush, nothing like it. Keep coming with the info.


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PostPosted: 20:33 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted a perfectly normal statement based on my own experience.
I don't do track days
Did countryhare say he wanted tyres for a track day?

And for the benefit of the dopey dummies that pick up on every little bit of fluff that's posted

A good tyre doesn't necessarily mean a sticky tyre.
Mileage is another factor that most people consider when choosing a tyre.
Different for a track bike.

And I'm going out now to get plastered so no time to elabourate for the slower of you. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mileage is an important issue to consider, but tyres really aren't something you should skimp on. All you have between you and the ground is two areas of rubber each about the size of a playing card. How well they can grip is one of the most important things about your bike, especially if you're upping the pace.
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PostPosted: 02:52 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Mileage is an important issue to consider, but tyres really aren't something you should skimp on. All you have between you and the ground is two areas of rubber each about the size of a playing card. How well they can grip is one of the most important things about your bike, especially if you're upping the pace.


True but its hard to find anything other than good tyres in superbike sizes-the hardest is sports touring tyres mostly, which I use due to the thousands of commuting miles i get through. I run Avon Azaros mostly due to being good in the wet and cheap.

As far as handling goes, on the road, a sports touring tyre is perfectly good-my azaros do give a squirmy feeling when really pushed hard but have never ever let go once.

I did have a set of pirelli diablos on my FZR750, and yes they did feel much better, but wore out far too quickly and werent a massive improvement overr subsequent BT020 and AV455/46s, which lasted a fair bit longer.

Of course, being a streetfighter pilot, good hard wearing tyres are amust for the frequent rolling burnouts.
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

So G and jay12329 what do you say now?
If I was a potato I'd use 2nd hand tyres on my bike.
But I'm a perfectionist I drive a bike coz I like the thrill
But I like to do it everyday and so I pay £££ for rubber fit for the purpose.

It's potatos that burst my bags at BCF.
Fools are OK, but lumpy bits of stuborn kack can be irksome
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PostPosted: 04:49 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunlop 207's on the TL hardest "sports" tyre I could think of which gives me more than 2000 miles out of a rear Confused
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished off a set of D208's. Not a bad tire for the first 1/4 of it's life. I'm currently trying a set of BT-014's as I'd like to get a little more than 4500 miles out of a set of tires but still want the ability to scrape the pegs. We'll see how that goes.
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