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Dom
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Cameras (or anything valuable) on bikes Reply with quote

I have finally got myself a decent camera, question is - how to transport it? How does everyone on here carry their camera or anything else expensive/fragile around with them?

I'm thinking a special camera rucksack would be best in a way since there's not half as much vibration, but I'm really not keen on the idea of falling off my bike and having a camera imprinted into my back. That leaves a tankbag really, but I'm worried about vibes.. has anyone had problems carrying electrical stuff around in a tankbag?

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i took a £1300 brand new laptop in my top box once!
i would use a tank pad and put some buble wrap in it
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubble wrap, genious. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
Bubble wrap, genious. Very Happy

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

For the camera gear I use a ruck sack. Jessops one for carrying camera gear.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride to work and back every day with a £2000 laptop, £250 digital camera, mobile phones, etc, in my tank bag.

Never had any problems.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a waterproof case then try and find the right size Pelicase:
https://www.waterproof-cases.co.uk/
They are quite impact resistant as they are hard plastic lined with egg-box style foam, which should dampen any vibrations. When I used to do a lot of kayaking loads of people used them, and I've seen one bob its merry way down a fairly nasty stretch of river unharmed.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got myself a camera case from Maplin and attached it to my back seat with a strap. Mainly because it's a pain in the neck to have to take your rucksack off every time you want to take a photo (and turning up at Boxhill with a rucksack will see you carrying ten peoples drinks and sweets within 5 minutes!). So this is my minimalist solution when all I need is the camera and my wallet. And no, it wont fit under my seat, which would be the obvious solution.

The 'not wanting to land on it in a rucksack' point is a valid one, but I carry shit I wouldn't want to land on all the time because I'm too lazy to do it any other way. Or have faith that I won't crash. Pick one. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, i had my 500 quid Ibanez guitar in a gig bag on the back of my bike several times. I made up a rig that allows me to ride without movement restrictions and improve visibility. It basically pulls the gigbag closer towards your back so that it doesn't flap about. Done the journeys to the studio several times and even filtering through central london with it was fine.

Last thing i want to see is a guitar through a car windscreen, cos they don't make my guitar anymore, i'd tend to my guitar first rather than whoever i hit.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for all the replies. Thumbs Up

Those Pelicases are great, if a little over the top. Laughing Shame they're so expensive because they look excellent.

I wouldn't dare try something like a case attached to the rear seat tbh. It's taken me a while to get the cash together for the camera plus I will likely have more than one lens to cart around with me when the bank balance recovers.

I'm considering buying some foam the size of my tankbag and cutting out a camera shaped whole in it. Laughing

(Titz, a mate of mine at college used to ride in with his guitar on his back in a standard guitar case, always thought it sounded bloody dodgy Shocked)
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
It's taken me a while to get the cash together for the camera plus I will likely have more than one lens to cart around with me when the bank balance recovers.


So what have your bought, and what lenses are you after?

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to ride around on my 125 with a two piece, 12' carbon fibre hexagraph salmon fly rod (about £250 worth 10 years ago) strapped diagonally across my back using a bootlace. A fishing bag with landing net attached across the other shoulder. And yes, I was wearing wellies, a wax jacket and an open face lid too. Razz

I would be more concerned about putting sensitive electronics on top of the pile of big f-off magnets in a tank bag.

Stick it up the front of your leathers. Who ever lands on their belly when they fall off their bike? If you come off badly enough to knacker the camera, the camera is the least of your worries.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to wear my camera under my leathers, makes it easy to get to. Only thing I was ever really bothered about losing off the bike was my missus, especially when she was 9 months pregnant.
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PostPosted: 03:40 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a mate of mine at college used to ride in with his guitar on his back in a standard guitar case, always thought it sounded bloody dodgy


I ride around with my bass on my back in a gig bag all the time. Because it's a bass it tends to stick up over my head a bit more than a guitar and it really pulls on my shoulders at anything over 60mph but it's the only way I can get it around. I'd take my amp on my bike too if it wasn't 6+ foot tall............
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PostPosted: 05:54 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

KLR600 wrote:
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a mate of mine at college used to ride in with his guitar on his back in a standard guitar case, always thought it sounded bloody dodgy


I ride around with my bass on my back in a gig bag all the time. Because it's a bass it tends to stick up over my head a bit more than a guitar and it really pulls on my shoulders at anything over 60mph but it's the only way I can get it around. I'd take my amp on my bike too if it wasn't 6+ foot tall............


you guitar players and bass players have got it easy! my drum kit is just stuck at home unless my parents feel like being nice!
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I would be more concerned about putting sensitive electronics on top of the pile of big f-off magnets in a tank bag.


No magnets, I've got a Baglux tank cover and the bag clips on top of that. Thumbs Up

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So what have your bought, and what lenses are you after?


A 350D, which so far I'm very pleased with. I have the kit 18-55mm lens only atm so will be after something that will get me a bit closer to the action, although what exactly I'm not sure yet.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My camera regulay goes in a tank bag. THe camera and all my gear goes in a padded camera bag which fits nicely into tmy tank bag. Not had any problems so far.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
A 350D, which so far I'm very pleased with. I have the kit 18-55mm lens only atm so will be after something that will get me a bit closer to the action, although what exactly I'm not sure yet.


The camera should do the job well. Unless you have suicidal tendencies the lense will be far too short.

The Canon 75-300 USM lense is not bad and in its favour it is quite cheap and light (~£200, or ~£160 for the non USM version). You will get some issues with the picture quality, but these are not likely to be much of an issue taking pics of bikes. As an example check this picture of a swan in flight (~1mb).

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/img_8846.jpg

Overall it does not look bad. It has managed to slightly overexpose it and so lost the details of the feathers on the wings, but that is not the lenses fault (camera fault, but one that should be easy for the person taking the pic to compensate for). However if you look at the leading edge of the wings you can see some purple fringing and this is caused by the lense, and is referred to as "Chromatic Aberration".

If you can stretch to it then one of the 70-200 f2.8 lenses are good and most tracks. Canon make 2 of these lenses, one with image stabilisation (which is lots of money) and one without (which is not imported officially), and Sigma make one as well. The Sigma is a lot cheaper and almost as good (and is the one I have). On cost for performance I think it is great. You can get them for about £400 on Ebay.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are all quite frankly mad.

£400 camera lenses.... My camera cost £35

It takes videos too.

Job done.

As for up the jacket, thats a good idea to an extent, but i lost several dvds doing that once. 100 plus gets air in. Unzipped and gone.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:
You are all quite frankly mad.

£400 camera lenses.... My camera cost £35


Take it you will not be in the market for one of these then Laughing :-

https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/lenses/telezoom/300-800mm.htm

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On ride-outs I just use my phone camera. its 1.3MP so its good enough really.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
The camera should do the job well. Unless you have suicidal tendencies the lense will be far too short.

The Canon 75-300 USM lense is not bad and in its favour it is quite cheap and light (~£200, or ~£160 for the non USM version). You will get some issues with the picture quality, but these are not likely to be much of an issue taking pics of bikes. As an example check this picture of a swan in flight (~1mb).

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/img_8846.jpg

Overall it does not look bad. It has managed to slightly overexpose it and so lost the details of the feathers on the wings, but that is not the lenses fault (camera fault, but one that should be easy for the person taking the pic to compensate for). However if you look at the leading edge of the wings you can see some purple fringing and this is caused by the lense, and is referred to as "Chromatic Aberration".

If you can stretch to it then one of the 70-200 f2.8 lenses are good and most tracks. Canon make 2 of these lenses, one with image stabilisation (which is lots of money) and one without (which is not imported officially), and Sigma make one as well. The Sigma is a lot cheaper and almost as good (and is the one I have). On cost for performance I think it is great. You can get them for about £400 on Ebay.

All the best

Keith


Cheers for all the info. I've had a go at some bike shots today (will post in a bit in the photos section) and am very pleased with the camera. I have a long way to go before I can get the kind of pictures I want without tons of post-processing but nevermind - that's the fun of it.

I always knew the standard lens wouldn't be up to much unless I'm shooting something close to me, but I think it should be capable of some nice motocross/similar pics where you can get fairly close to the action in the first place (it would have been today, I'm sure). I'm not sure that I will even bother trying any track pics until I have another lens, but there's lots else out there in the mean time. Smile

That 300-800mm lens is fantastic. Would love to have a go with one, I could probably get some nice pictures from Thruxton without leaving my house. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not going to be many more track days this year, and if you can make it you are welcome to wander to one some time where I am and try out a couple of lenses.

That Sigma is nice. Here they are going to upgrade Hubble with it Wink . Being honest I suspect it would be a nightmare to control when you are trying to pan. The longest lense I have is not easy as if you get you panning wrong it just has too much momentum to cleanly correct the rate you are panning at.

One thing to do is to take a look at pictures of bikes online. Save them onto your PC and check the properties, then summary tab and (unless it has been wiped out) you should see the focal length, shutter speed and f stop used to take the picture. Check which ones give a good effect to know where to start yourself. Higher shutter speeds are far easier to use but tend to make the bike look frozen, slower shutter speeds give more background blur and hide the wheel spokes, but also are far more difficult and result in far less images worth looking at. For me I find that 1/160 gives an acceptable rate of OK images, 1/125 gives better results but is getting far harder while 1/200 makes life fairly easy. A lot of the professionals taking pictures at tracks have the shutter speed up around 1/500 which means they are almost certain of a non blurred shot, but then they need to make sure they have plenty of acceptable pics of everyone.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 300d, with a cannon 75-300mm lens. I've had some good results and some not so good ones. I genrally sit with the shutter speed at around 1/125. THe lens is good but a little slow. I'm looking at getting one of the Sigma f2.8 200mm lenses like kickstart has. I've had a play with his and it is a lot quicker than my lens in auto focus and takeing pictures.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.motrax.co.uk/Index_pages/accessories/bikecam.htm

Make a video en-route, just make sure your cam is waterproof.

For a bag, try all the camera shops, dixons will be stocking a shitload now, too. I have a techair laptop bag, and i think they do camera bags, too. when i fell flat on my back off my scooter, i landed on my laptop. The bag protected it beautifully.

Hope you find what you're after Thumbs Up

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