What bike to get (Part 2)

[The Dude]

Some of you may have seen my "What bike to get" post earlier in the week where i had a poll on the 4 bikes i am considering getting after i pass my test in a few weeks. One of them was the KTM Duke 2. Someone in the thread asked me why don't i just get a SuperDuke. I would really love to get a SuperDuke. The problem is, i will be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years after my test and i would have to get it restricted. I know some of you will say, just get it anyway and get the restricter taken off after a few weeks. I really wouldn't want to risk doing that as i already have 6 points on my licence and can't risk getting anymore. I was also considering a CBR600rr, which would also have to be restricted. My question now is. If i were to get either the Superduke or the CBR600rr and get it restricted, is that just a waste of a bike? I wouldn't mind having a bike like that restricted at all. But is it a bad thing to have a 115bhp bike restricted to 33bhp? Would it affect the reliability of the bike, especially over the winter months? Would it damage the bike in anyway? Or would it simply mean that it wouldn't be as powerful and thats all? Do any of you have powerful bikes that are restricted and have you had much trouble as a result of the restriction? Cheers in advance

[McGee]

I dont see how it would damage the bike.
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[The Dude]

I think Kickstart mentioned something before about the exhaust rotting faster if a bike like that was restricted. I'm not sure over what length of time he meant though. What effect does the restriction have exactly? Does the bike not rev as high? DDoes it just not go as fast?

[McGee]

From what i was told the washers in the carb (i think electronicly too) just doesnt allow as much fuel in, which keeps the revs down, i think power normaly cuts of at around 9k on an r6 so its quick to that but hen its slow as hell. so you use your gears alot more.


Im most probaly wrong and in know way do i claim to be an expert
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[The Dude]

I'm sure someone will have some insight in the morning possibly

[McGee]

Yeah its just the zombies who are on at this time

Sorry for being useless.
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[The Dude]

Your imput is always welcome McGee

[McGee]

Why thankyou.


Right i wont post any more in here till some one has posted something usefull

Damn i gotta stop hijacking
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[The Dude]

[dodsi]

When i have ridden restricted bikes (washers in carbs) they are just a pain.

On my bandit for instance the power just died at 6K, it would rev over but didnt do anything.

you are constantly changing gear and overtakes are slow as the power is "cut" before the real power is made.

Not easy to ride "powerfull" bikes that are restricted down that much.

However my old ER-5 was 33hp and was much easier to ride restricted as not that much power was taken away from it so you had more of a rev range to play with.

They all basically restric the RPM one way or another.

So if your R6 made 33hp at 6000RPM it would just not pull passed 6K.

[bish777]

Big single cylinder machines survive restriction much better as they arent terribly powerful to start with, and the torque curve relates to theat big single piston moving up and down so a little loss of horsepower doesnt impede it much.

The KTM would be ok restricted, also Honda SLR/FX650 Vigors work well under restriction.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Dodsi's ER5 made around would have made 45-50bhp realistically so most of it's power was kept in tact. On a 600cc sports bike you are not being allowed to acces most of the power, so it will probably be a bit slower.

If you have limited funds (unlikely if you considering buying a new/newish bike) then buying a 600 would make sense. One bike to buy and insure and as long as you dont crash and nothing goes seriously wrong it will work out cheaper and effectively mean's you get a new bike at the end of your restriction.
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[The Dude]

thanks fellas

[A J]

I have a restricted CBR600 but the restrictions fell out after a week.

Much better

[gsxr_Scott]

i have the same problem,

sadly i have to restrict my gixxer srad it is a shame and most people dont agree with doing this, but i no i only have the money now for a bike so i thought what the hell and brought it then in 2 years or 2 weeks after i pass i wont need to upgrade as the power will be there ready and waiting!

tho i spoke to a bloke frmo the local motorbike shop and he said to me that quite a few people have told him they hardly felt any difference from it being normal or restrcted, maybe he was just trying to shut me up??

hmm now i wonder!!
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gsxr 600!

[Cillit-BANG]

[gsxr_Scott]

believe me i have to work hard for what i get!!

my dad may have his own company but i get nothing from him lol.

50 hours a week mate!!!

i see your point, but as i said i dont think i will have as much for a bike come 2 years, and aslong as im carful should not have any problems, as for insurance it will expensive but surely cant be like £1600+ like what it would be for a car

and yes that is for a 1.2 litre!!
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gsxr 600!

[Cillit-BANG]

[gsxr_Scott]

but restricted to 33bhp??

hey, lol what the hell just means ill be workinh 60 hours a week insted (good job i love work isnt it!! )

will be worth it
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gsxr 600!

[The Dude]

I'm 30 years old Cillit.lol

[McGee]

The why are they on aboot restricters
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[The Dude]

Why is who on about restricters McGee?

[Aikman666]

The restriction might have a negative affect on your engine. Depending on which way its restricted, it could cut off the powerbands in some gears, making your bike work outside the powerband, therefore giving it more load. Maybe, maybe not, just my thoughts
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[McGee]

I dont know my brain hurts
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[Robby]

Restrictors 101. Again.

Restrictors work by restricting the air/fuel flow into the cylinders, by putting metal washers between the carbs or throttle bodies and engine. Many of the larger bikes have throttle stops as well, to stop the throttle opening fully.

Sportsbikes in general make their power high up in the rev range, and they make it by stuffing in as much air and fuel as possible. Lots of power by burning lots of fuel quickly, but not too efficiently. When you restrict one it'll be shit to ride.

Less focussed bikes make their power lower down the rev range, and tend to burn the fuel more efficiently. Go for one of these if you want to restrict. Good bottom end and midrange with small throttle openings is what you want to restrict.

Restrictors don't make a difference to insurance. Insurance will be very high for an 18 year old riding a new sports 600, if it bothers you that much ride something slower.