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mirax
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: whats the difference?? Reply with quote

how can u tell if and engine is running rich or lean on fuel what are the symtoms of the two ???
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Performance, smoke, smell. Not sure which means which though Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easiest way other than a dyno check is the plug colour, black and sooty looking=rich..very pale, burnt/glazed=lean. Those are the extremes, in reality might not be too easy to tell, the bike can run fairly happily leaning towards one or the other.
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mirax
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant work out if my bike running to lean or too rich, im not very engine mined need some pointers, unforunatly i dont have the tools to do a plug chop and these nc30s are a right bitch to work on
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Get it on a dyno with an exhaust gas analyser. Will tell you straight away.

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PostPosted: 00:32 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your plug shall tell all.
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mirax
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much would a dyno test cost ??
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

One a 2-stroke your bike will splutter just before the powerband if it's running rich, not sure if it's the same on a 4stroke? is the bike spluttering at all?

Why you worried about the jetting anyway? have you altered the air intake/exhaust?
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mirax wrote:
how much would a dyno test cost ??


LOL a lot more than a plug spanner!

You can get to the back 2 plugs dead easy on the VFR, whip 2 out and have a look.
As i keep saying check the damn filter before laying out any money............ It needs to be moist with oil to the touch otherwise it will drag in too much air and simply bog down and be flat as a fart.
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

it splutters between 5-7000 revs while changing up gears where you release the throttle and got back on or if i accelerate from a higher gear at slower speeds its def around the 5-7000 mark
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mirax
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

these filters arnt oiled there paper not foam
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mirax wrote:
it splutters between 5-7000 revs while changing up gears where you release the throttle and got back on or if i accelerate from a higher gear at slower speeds its def around the 5-7000 mark


NOW YOU TELL US

Sounds like shit in one of the main jets........your carb cleaning dude aint too hot maybe.
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mirax
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm could be ?. fuck taking those apart myself right bitch of a job but i was told they were given a good blast but they didnt seem too bad the prob does seem to occur more the hotter the bike is ?


p.s sorry im not very tech minded about these things computers more my field Embarassed
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On choke the bike is starved of air making it run richer and it should run ok, when you knock the choke off it relies upon a pilot jet (tickover / slow running) and then a main jet, if this main jet is restricted then it will hessitate.
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PostPosted: 01:22 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

would redex and use optimax or bp ultimate for a while help clear the jets not technaly minded enough to take the carb apart ? what u said does sound familiar in my sitation
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mirax wrote:
would redex and use optimax or bp ultimate for a while help clear the jets not technaly minded enough to take the carb apart ?


If you are lucky then yes, but probably not.

All the best

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PostPosted: 01:27 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not lucky so no lol Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the help guys ill have a tinker over the weekend if it stops raining Wink
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PostPosted: 02:20 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

redex helped by zxr400 out...it made the flat spot better and just made the bike feel like it was running better....

Thumbs Up riichy
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mirax
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

problem sorted after all that it was the bloody sub air filter Rolling Eyes replaced it with some packing foam Thumbs Up and hey presto sorted no more carb hunting or flatspot
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mirax
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the help guys
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that will show sometimes if the bike is running rich, it will not hot start very well. I had this problem on the KLX and it was due to a clogged filter and the fuel/air mixture screw had been moved.

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