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PostPosted: 14:35 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: MCN : Never buy a tyre again :/ Reply with quote

The headline says "Never buy a tyre again"

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Tyre firm Michelin has unveiled a maintenance free, airless tyre for the first time.
The technology which could make this possible is an advanced radial structure manufactured from high-performance composite materials, onto which a rubber tread is bonded. When the tread is worn down it's removed and a new tread bonded to the core structure, which is designed to last around 150,000 miles.
This means the tyre can be specifically designed to an individual bike model, and it won't leak air, will never puncture, and will mean an end to checking tyre pressures.
"Michelin's research mission is to constantly bring about "technological leaps" in the industry," said Head of R&D Didier Miraton. "We are seriously focussing our research on these solutions that will make their way onto the market within a decade or so."
Sources say this is definitely a possible production model rather than theoretically research. However, the firm has to develop a manufacturing process to be able to assess the actual cost of production and whether this is viable.
But would you be interested in an airless tyre? It would mean an end to expensive punctures and routine checks, but would also stop you adjusting your tyres for track days etc?


I'd like to know how "never buy a new tyre again" equates to "When the tread is worn down it's removed and a new tread bonded to the core structure"

Surely adding new tread is just the same as putting a new tyre on ?
As for the cost of it, you'd need a new wheel and all the gubbins that goes with it plus the tread every few thousand miles anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to be a complete girl here and think about how it looks. It's nasty and looks a little bit slug like. I suppose it would be more environmentally friendly though. Still I just don't trust it.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Hitler sending chocolates to Steven Spielberg.

You’ll never see it happen.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me or does that look like a car tyre?

Another MCN mock-up possibly?
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know mcn are a highly respected publication who never exaggerate or sensationalise to get ppl to buy the paper but...
wait a sec ...
sorry got that wrong
mcn are actually bullshitters who will tell you anything if its based on a grain of truth to sell their paper.

(im gonna copy an paste this on every mcn thread in case you think it looks a bit familiar)
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Is it just me or does that look like a car tyre?


You're right. Even if it was in MCN, at no point does it mention bikes or any other vehicle for that matter.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also get the structure in different colours to match your bike Laughing

Just so you know, the :/ in the thread title says what I feel about the story. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There must be some lateral thinking options to make tyres last a lot longer.
What we have now is an idea some 100 years old with tweaking of composition etc.
How about a 'solid' tyre where thw whole thing slowly wears down until you get to the rim?
Then you get a new wheel complete with another 40,000 mile tyre...
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first saw this about a year ago in a car mag, and the models they were testing then looked a lot more modelly. Good to see they have progressed onto what looks like a working prototype in such a short time frame.

As for the solid tyre idea, that is in fact a very old idea, which was replaced by pneumatic tyres. Pneumatic tyres have the advantage of having a variable amount of give, which means you can alter the contact patch by tyre pressure and the amount of weight acting on the tyre (tyre deformation being a good characteristic here), and they also have some give in them for a smoother ride.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you see the shots of the front tyre deforming in one of the GPs?
It's amazing how much they move.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzz wrote:

You're right. Even if it was in MCN, at no point does it mention bikes or any other vehicle for that matter.


What does this bit mean then ?

"This means the tyre can be specifically designed to an individual bike model, and it won't leak air, will never puncture, and will mean an end to checking tyre pressures"

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

150k out of a tyre - I'd buy it, if it worked. I wonder how much a bond change would cost? Surprised
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh rather have air in my tires, dont find it a great chore checking preasures, can see it working for cars, but bikes, nahh.

looks horrid, sounds pointless.


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PostPosted: 22:09 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rookie_biker wrote:
150k out of a tyre - I'd buy it, if it worked. I wonder how much a bond change would cost? Surprised


Thats the point I was making. It's the wheel and structure that lasts for 150,000 miles not the tread. For a sports bike the "tyre" part will still have to be soft, so it will still only last 3-4000 miles at a cost of ???
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotdog wrote:
fuzz wrote:

You're right. Even if it was in MCN, at no point does it mention bikes or any other vehicle for that matter.


What does this bit mean then ?

"This means the tyre can be specifically designed to an individual bike model, and it won't leak air, will never puncture, and will mean an end to checking tyre pressures"

Hotdog.


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PostPosted: 22:20 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the front page it says "full story on page 6"

It's actually on page 12. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really think that Michelin would produce a tyre which would eventually put themselves out of business? I think not.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested to see how well the springing media would resist permanent deformation if left stood still with weight on it for a long time. The structure for motorcycle and multi-wheel vehicle tyres would be fairly different as the two have to behave in quite different manners.

Never buying a tyre again might be fine if you do less than 150k miles and don't ever change your bike. I'd think that the Chinese can knock out conventional pneumatic tyres by the million at a slightly lower cost than these. Laughing Given enough time and enough of a rubber shortage and these could make a lot of sense.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

TL666 wrote:
Do you really think that Michelin would produce a tyre which would eventually put themselves out of business? I think not.


Brick Wall How many times.........the tread will need to be replaced just the same as normal tyres.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
Brick Wall How many times.........the tread will need to be replaced just the same as normal tyres


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PostPosted: 23:11 - 16 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Given enough time and enough of a rubber shortage and these could make a lot of sense.


It depends what you mean by rubber.

Rubber:

1) A yellowish, amorphous, elastic material obtained from the milky sap or latex of various tropical plants, especially the rubber tree. Also called caoutchouc, India rubber.

2) Any of numerous synthetic elastic materials of varying chemical composition with properties similar to those of natural rubber.

Tyres are about 35 - 40% rubber and the majority of this rubber is not latex (natural rubber).

So, your predicted rubber shortage could well be upon us sooner than you think.

I doubt it will be possible for much longer to churn out the millions of tyres a year that are currently produced.

Tyre usage and construction may well have to change due to environmental pressures.

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PostPosted: 01:57 - 17 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have loads of inefficient, uneconomic farms that are supported by subsidies

if half of these were converted to landfill, we wd have more than enough space to get rid of the rubbish (including tyres) we produce
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 17 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:

Another MCN mock-up possibly?


yeah gotta be.
like when they said that shakey will definately be riding the rcv at valencia-then kiyo rode it...mcn is so poor now!
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 17 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
TL666 wrote:
Do you really think that Michelin would produce a tyre which would eventually put themselves out of business? I think not.


Brick Wall How many times.........the tread will need to be replaced just the same as normal tyres.


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When the tread is worn down it's removed and a new tread bonded to the core structure, which is designed to last around 150,000 miles


So now they charge around a hundred quid for a rear tyre that I can just about muster 3000 miles out of. So nice mr michelin is going to sell me a tyre for the same 'reasonable' price that can cover 50 times the distance. You must be fucking kidding. Even if its only 5 times the price for 50 times the wear then that equates to the hope that you will cover 15000 miles when really some people only use their bike for fun and wont cover that in 5 years let alone with just the one bike.

Never going to happen, no way, no how. Its like the oil companies inventing a car that needs a litre of fuel forever.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 17 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a tyre to last that long can they make them to have the same performance as normal sports tyres?


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