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iCraig
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Chains? Reply with quote

Right I need a new chain for my bike and I am abit baffled by X-Ring, O-Ring and heavy duty.

Is X-Ring really better than O-Ring and are O-Ring/X-Ring really worth the premium over standard heavy duty.

The only only reason why I ask is a Heavy Duty chain is £15, O-Ring is £30 and X-Ring is £65.

Help please.

P.S. If anyone in the local vicinity of me has a chain tool I can borrow or if they'd allow me to pop down and use said tool I'd be grateful!
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an X ring chain, get a dealer to fit it with new sprockets and then youve got a 17000 mile or maybe more guarentee Very Happy
DID X ring every time for me to be honest, especially if you have a Big twin, big inline four or triple.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD is stronger. X-ring is more tolerant of neglect. O-ring comes between the two.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
HD is stronger. X-ring is more tolerant of neglect. O-ring comes between the two.

Yeah, but you can get HD X rings, especially loved them when i had me old tuned Bandit 12. They actually lasted Very Happy
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iCraig
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
HD is stronger. X-ring is more tolerant of neglect. O-ring comes between the two.


So I should get a Heavy Duty and look after it?

Or buy 3 Heavy Duty's at the cost of one X Ring.

By the way the bike in question is a Honda CB450DX, so not exactly a new or sporty bike!

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRobT309 wrote:
Get an X ring chain, get a dealer to fit it with new sprockets and then youve got a 17000 mile or maybe more guarentee Very Happy
DID X ring every time for me to be honest, especially if you have a Big twin, big inline four or triple.






yep DID X ring all the way for me Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an 'DID X RING GOLD' chain put on me bike last week, looks much more better and will hopefully last longer, well worth the extra cash Smile


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PostPosted: 21:52 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you honestly believe you will look after it then get a HD. This time of year, assuming your using the bike, you would be better off getting the 'o' ring. 'x' ring might last longer but to be honest its not worth double the price with the bike you have. Have you checked you sprockets?
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't imagine the X-Ring chain will last twice as long as the O-Ring chain, so I'd rule that out straight away. Some bikes eat chains up quicker than others, in which case it'd be prudent to invest in the O-Ring chain. However on a Superdream I'd be inclined to go for the normal heavy duty chain, and oil it regularly or even better fit a chain oiler. If it wears out quickly then it's not exactly a great loss is it, fifteen quid. It'd see you through to the summer at least anyway.

You will probably find the 'heavy duty' chain comes with only a split link. If the chain on your bike at the moment is also held together with a split link (which is pretty likely it being a Superdream), then you will not need a special tool.

darrenh wrote:
I had an 'DID X RING GOLD' chain put on me bike last week, looks much more better and will hopefully last longer, well worth the extra cash Smile

How can you reccommend this chain to somebody when you've only had it on your bike a week? Confused How it looks should hardly be the over-riding concern when purchasing a new chain (unless you're zxr400er obviously).
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iCraig
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

marki wrote:
If you honestly believe you will look after it then get a HD. This time of year, assuming your using the bike, you would be better off getting the 'o' ring. 'x' ring might last longer but to be honest its not worth double the price with the bike you have. Have you checked you sprockets?


Sprockets will be replaced too as they are passed their best aswell.

But apart from lubing, cleaning and adjusting the chain what else consistutes as looking after it.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But apart from lubing, cleaning and adjusting the chain what else consistutes as looking after it.


Thats pretty much it mate, you just need to stay on top of it. With the amount of crap on the road at this time of year it wouldn't take much to start wearing the bearing faces.

Clean means clean, get all the crud off the thing and remember that the lube will also hold onto dirt, if left too long it makes good ginding paste.
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iCraig
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am personally thinking of saving my money and buying a Heavy Duty one, after all its gonna cost bugger all if it wears out quicker than a chain double its price.

And I do look after my bike even though its my hack its maintenance is kept up.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't blame you, I have a HD on my GSXF600, it isn't gold/blue/red, and it has a split link. I lube it every week and clean it monthly. Its been on the bike for a year and it will probaly still be there this time next year.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

IME X-ring's aren't worth the price premium, I was quite dissapointed in the life of an AFAM X-ring chain, and I did look after it Confused

Currently using a DID o-ring, which seems good though I've only had it on a few thousand km's.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vote for the HD here if you get a scotoiler or similar, otherwise go for the O-ring. He also says has your current chain got a split link in it?
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Vote for the HD here if you get a scotoiler or similar, otherwise go for the O-ring. He also says has your current chain got a split link in it?


Bugger knows if it has a split link, I really haven't a clue.

Also Jo I lube my chain nearly every day with engine oil is that suffiencent? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

this might help
X rings are better as they hold the lube better.
Now then, heres an interesting concept, lube kits ,, they dont work on x ring chains as the chains hold lube in, there for keep lube out, what you need is lube that starts off thin and sets, unlike scot oil,
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lubing daily should be OK on an HD I am being told.

He also says if you're looking at it that often and close enough to lube it how can you not have seen a split link? So it might be the original one....... Confused
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pretty sure its the original chain and sprockets on the bike, like everything else I've discovered that needs replacing. Laughing

Whats the difference between split link and rivet link and do I need a tool for split link? Confused
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, split link is made up of you r normal parts and a link that can be prised open using a screw driver,
PLEASE NOTE ON SAFETY GROUNDS
the you must when puting the chain back anf a new split link that you have the open end facing away from the front of the bike
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

[. Have you checked you sprockets?[/quote]

Question was you referring to me mate, yeah new set of sprockets wer included with the chain
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PostPosted: 03:34 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig- wrote:

Also Jo I lube my chain nearly every day with engine oil is that suffiencent? Very Happy


Oil is the best thing to lube a normal chain with, cleans and lubricates (unless it is an enclosed chain in which case boil it in graphite grease). You just need to apply it regularly. If you are oiling your chain daily, it will last forever on a superdream, otherwise use an automatic chain oiler.

I hate wax based chain lube, worn out too many chains due to the gritty crap that sticks to it.

You won't see an x-ring chain on a race bike. HD with gear oil on it all the way Thumbs Up
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