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extreme3d
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: It's Official - Hyosung make some real bikes! Reply with quote

Along side their new cruiser which is now featured in the mags they are now making the gt650r and gt650s. These are apparently all new bikes and not the 650 comet with fairings stuck on....

They also make the engines themselves in house and have nabbed a few Japanese designers.

The is the only photo needed in my view to show that they are not just copies of what is essentially a bike very similar to my own SV. But add a full fairing, USD forks, radial brakes, bolt on can and a few extra horses and you get the idea Wink
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a 650 twin?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm they are a very rapidly growing company. Who knows, in a couple of years they could be up there with the likes of Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki, but i guess all of them have had a longer history than Hyosung (as far as im aware). I quite like the look of their new bikes! Quite individual.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 650s and 650r have been out for a while i think. I couldn't find ay info on bavanar's website, but i found info on a bike shop's website in the UK. And it is just the comet 650 with plasticy bits and clip-ons. I'm not sure, but they may have re-tuned the engine with different cams, etc. Also, hyosung have made their own engines for the comet range since it began, they just have a very very very similar design to suzuki because Hyosung poached the engineers.

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PostPosted: 18:28 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO who's getting one eh?? Anyone got the balls to?
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 09 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want one but can't afford one.

Nearly bought a Hyosung Comet GT650 in 2004, but didn't want to spend £4k on a new bike.

Also nearly bought a GT125 earlier this year when I was downgrading ended up getting a Gilera, and making a profit on it.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Not all that keen. Think it looks like a cheap knock-off of the SV650, but the worst bit IMO is the tacky looking front air intake and how loose the fairing is on the yokes. Sad

Shame really, I normally like Hyosungs.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just a cheap tacky version of suzuki's superior SV. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a comet with fairings and usd forks.

Never ridden one, but from what the mags said, it sounds like it would have been a good bike if it was actually £1-2k less than the SV, rather than about the same.

Similar with other Hyosung bikes, from what I've seem they tend to be a bit cheaply made, but not actually cheap.

It doesn't have radial brakes in the pictures.
Standard SV brakes with decent pads and braided hoses are very good in my opinion anyway.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Standard SV brakes with decent pads and braided hoses are very good in my opinion anyway.


Agreed, the SV's strength is that is 'more than the sum of it's parts'.

I had all the other photo's to and could have easily posted them myself, but i'm not really interested in hyosung's bikes at the moment, or the specs or if i like this bit or that, but more interested by their Japanese designers and by the fact that they manufacture all the engines, forks etc themselves in house. That is the impressive bit and allows them the flexibility that the chinese manufactures don't have. As a result they are able to tackle the main players by offering 'real' bikes not 125 cruiser look-a-likes.

As someone else said above... give them a few more years.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can remember when MCN first had the news about them.

They suggested they would be making an sv650 based sports bike for £3k. Now if it had turned out to be an RRP of £3k with further discounts for something of the quality we have, it would be a bit more interesting.
Might even start to sway me on the "don't buy new" that I can often be heard screaming when just-passed-test people are asking questions.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Standard SV brakes with decent pads and braided hoses are very good in my opinion anyway.


Curvy or pointy?

If curvy, have you tried the stock front springs? *mimics the movement of a bouncy castle* Wink
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curvy.

Haven't tried a stock bike properly, but expect they aren't quite as sharp as my bikes Smile.

I wouldn't have expected the brakes would be that good being two pot sliding jobbies, but in my set up they're pretty much as good as my r6 brakes.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
G wrote:
Standard SV brakes with decent pads and braided hoses are very good in my opinion anyway.


Agreed, the SV's strength is that is 'more than the sum of it's parts'.

I had all the other photo's to and could have easily posted them myself, but i'm not really interested in hyosung's bikes at the moment, or the specs or if i like this bit or that, but more interested by their Japanese designers and by the fact that they manufacture all the engines, forks etc themselves in house. That is the impressive bit and allows them the flexibility that the chinese manufactures don't have. As a result they are able to tackle the main players by offering 'real' bikes not 125 cruiser look-a-likes.

As someone else said above... give them a few more years.


That is because Hyosung were contracted to build the parts for Suzuki before they split off to make their own. Essentially suzuki's that were made over about 7 or so years ago, are mainly built by hyosung.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Looks like a comet with fairings and usd forks.


The 250 & 650 comets both have usd forks as standard. In a review i read of the gt650, the journalist went underneath an R6 mid-corner, probably due to a poo rider on the r6, but still impressive.

Check www.bavanar.com for the RRPs, the gt650 undercuts the suzuki sv650 by quite a margin iirc...

Jack

EDIT: Just checked the rrp of the 650 - £3600 isnt bad for a brand new 650...
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 10 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that £3600 on the road though?
Do you get much discount?

I've seen SVs for around £3800 or so new on the road.

Even if we're talking £500 difference, I'd be wanting more than that for a 'cheap' bike. Have heard plenty of horrow stories about them corroding in the summer, never mind winter.


So far, I'm seeing them as budget bikes with a price that doesn't really justify it.

If we look at minimotos, then I can more understand the differences. You can get cheap minimotos for about £150-£200, they will fall apart pretty quickly, or you can get better quality but still cheap minimotos for around £400 that will make an ok bike, maybe a few mods to make them as good as the proper brands.
Then you can get a 'proper' established brand that will cost you around £700-£800 (and more if you want) new which you can be fairly sure will be as good as anything else out there.

But in this case we're not talking 50% of the price, more 90% at best.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 11 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

SV rrp is 4,300 OTR, Comet is 3,600 including vat and delivery, but not OTR charges. So you are looking at a bit more, still it is a nearly £300 difference on rrp. Not bad considering you get a motor out of the SV for that.

https://www.bavanar.com/roadtest_comet_gt650.pdf

Read some of the test rides before you dismiss it out of hand.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 11 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:

Read some of the test rides before you dismiss it out of hand.

I have, that's why I was Smile.

The ones I read suggested that it was basically inferiour to the SV.
(I saw a couple where they rode both bikes back to back.)


For only £300, even the disadvantages displayed in that article don't really seem to justify the cost to me.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 11 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a used gt125 on ebay at the moment, doesn't look to be in bad condition from the pics, just a bit caked in road grime Razz

I think the GT650 is a nice bike, i'd be hard pushed to chose between it an the sv, though i'd probably pick the sv if money was no option.

GT650s go dirt cheap on ebay second hand, the residuals are horrendous, and the dealer can freely make you a pathetic off which will probably be the best you'll get.

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PostPosted: 23:29 - 11 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i ride a comet gt125 at the moment, i like it, no, i love it. Its a nice little runner, a good looking commuter bike, but then im into cruisers so i dont want a super quick lightning bike, infact my next bike will hopefully be the new gv650 cruiser
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 11 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Standard SV brakes with decent pads and braided hoses are very good in my opinion anyway.


Which is fine 'till you have to use a drill and angle grinder to get the pins out to change the pads. Seems to be a very common thing to have to do if posts on internet forums are anything to go by.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 12 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


Which is fine 'till you have to use a drill and angle grinder to get the pins out to change the pads. Seems to be a very common thing to have to do if posts on internet forums are anything to go by.


The problem brake pins have been on Suzukis since the GS 30ish years ago, easily cured though with stainless Cool



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PostPosted: 00:12 - 12 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:

The problem brake pins have been on Suzukis since the GS 30ish years ago, easily cured though with stainless Cool


Maybe it is time someone wrote and told Suzuki this? Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 12 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


Maybe it is time someone wrote and told Suzuki this? Laughing


WHAT!!! and stop them charging up to £3.86 for EACH pin every time you change your brake pads Shocked
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