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LUXY DJ
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: A DECENT COURIER BIKE?.. Reply with quote

im looking for A good enough bike 2 do couriering on but need some suggestions on whats best!. looking for a MIN of 250 really & no more then a 450 i suppose as i need 2 keep fuel & insurance cost as low as poss cause my gixxer aint no good for it so any suggestions,links,etc,etc let me know

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cb250?

Weapon of choice for a lot of couriers is the kawasaki gt550.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok

well atm im using my gixxer & it EATS fuel & aint as agile,etc & i dont wanna kill it doing couriering so i wanna make my money with a peice of shit then PUT my money in to doing up the gixxer

only 2 cb250's on feebay atm Confused must be more to use for couriering surely

dont really wanna go as big as a 500 cause i gotta run both bikes as im not getting rid of the gixxer cause im gonna use it on weekends,days off,etc

cheers m8 for the quick reply Wink anymore suggestions from any 1 else?
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something like an NTV600/650 should keep on plodding past 100k without too many problems. Sickpup should be able to help you with this question. I imagine it mostly depends where you're doing it; in town I should think you could get away with a scooter.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont you get completely BEASTED on insurance?!
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im looking at setting up my own courier business....

And you need to have courier insurance for ya bike plus insurance to cover the goods u r carrying im 22 n got quotes for a GT750 and a FJ1200

GT750 comp courier insurance was £1300
FJ1200 comp courier insurance was £2100 Shocked


BUT the FJ is my weapon of choice really as its nice n comfy for some one of my height and luggage options are good + plenty of room to mount GPS and it offers soem weather protecton etc.............

However the GT is the ultimate reliable bike and if it brakes theres plenty of parts for them on ebay and in breakers yards etc.....
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the general idea is that if you have to ask us about being a courier, you don't enough about it to even think about getting into it.

And don't expect a glamourous job enjoying riding bikes all day long. Don't think I've ever heard a courier describing it as anything but a fucking hard and dangerous slog for not enough money.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive used honda bros's, cb1's and superfours for my dispatching. great bikes and cheap to run, cam driven engines last forever. 2nd gears go on ntv's Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

satans_BIG_helper wrote:
However the GT is the ultimate reliable bike and if it brakes theres plenty of parts for them on ebay and in breakers yards etc.....
If it brakes being the key phrase here. Razz

I assume they have the same callipers as the GT550, which are by far the weakest and crappiest part of the bike.

I've spoken to lots of couriers and all of them repeated what Robby said btw.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
I think the general idea is that if you have to ask us about being a courier, you don't enough about it to even think about getting into it.

And don't expect a glamourous job enjoying riding bikes all day long. Don't think I've ever heard a courier describing it as anything but a fucking hard and dangerous slog for not enough money.


huh ? was that aimed at me ????

If so Sad

Im gonna set up my own company as the entire county of where i live does not have a decent MC courier i can easily run it from home to start with as there is a large enough spare room... and then work my way up... at the moment im putting a plan together and doing costings n stuff as im only 22 there are a few places that will offer me bursaries torwards setting up a business and the local regeneration office will offer some financial support too as they are investing in new businesses in the area where i live....

And i have found some one willing to work for little money for a few months as the office based person while i do the riding about, i respect its hard work and not fun but its what i want to do... and if i fcuk up i will just learn the hard way
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
satans_BIG_helper wrote:
However the GT is the ultimate reliable bike and if it brakes theres plenty of parts for them on ebay and in breakers yards etc.....
If it brakes being the key phrase here. Razz

I assume they have the same callipers as the GT550, which are by far the weakest and crappiest part of the bike.

I've spoken to lots of couriers and all of them repeated what Robby said btw.


They are the same as the GPZ750 Laughing Laughing REALLY REALLY shit Exclamation


I know its not a easy job ive done it before when i lived down south so i know how risky it is and how tiring it is and that most of the time at work you get rained on and shit up...
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was aimed at luxy DJ, not mr. satan.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the general idea is that if you have to ask us about being a courier, you don't enough about it to even think about getting into it.



Rolling Eyes i do courier work already! & scooters r always nicked or something nicked off them in london were i do it(as mine WAS nicked) & i dont mind doing couriering yeah its knackering work but i love riding bikes SO much that i DO enjoy it & you CAN make good money trust me I KNOW!

but im just asking for more info on a practial bike to do it on

cheers to all who have put in POSITIVE replies & more info from any 1 else please thx!
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A CB450 wetdream (superdream) would be a good cheap useable bike i would have thought....
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's such a shame they put those crappy callipers on it, the bike would be bullet-proof if it wasn't for the brakes.

As long as you know what your getting yourself into go for it mate, and best of luck to you. Thumbs Up

I'm sure you've already looked into this but make sure you get some good advice/accountant to minimise the tax and maximise state help.

Also you might want to look into personal injury cover as if you break your leg you obviously won't be working for a while, but I'd imagine it would be rather expensive for a bike courier. Confused
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
It was aimed at luxy DJ, not mr. satan.



My apologies Smile
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Hayabusa with turbos and NOS! You can advertise that you are the 250mph courier, guaranteed to get the parcel there in 5 minutes, but they have to pay the speeding tickets!
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
It's such a shame they put those crappy callipers on it, the bike would be bullet-proof if it wasn't for the brakes.

As long as you know what your getting yourself into go for it mate, and best of luck to you. Thumbs Up

I'm sure you've already looked into this but make sure you get some good advice/accountant to minimise the tax and maximise state help.

Also you might want to look into personal injury cover as if you break your leg you obviously won't be working for a while, but I'd imagine it would be rather expensive for a bike courier. Confused


I have some spacers for my GPZ750 and some FZR wheels n FZR calipers which will fit the GT so i could bang FZR wheels on which would improve handling and brakes if i had a GT that is Smile... im goin to see the business start up advisors in a few weeks so im just putting together my ideas. costings and projected income n such n expenses.... plus with view of hiring 2 or 3 members of staff in the initial 6 months one office n 2 riders(with own bikes).


Agree with the personal injury cover i know a IFA (independant financial advisor) and he sells all that kinda stuff so gonna see what he can suggest and come up with

thanks again Smile
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annoys me why some people feel the need to lecture to people on bike forums about the pitfalls of couriering.
Make it sound like there entering the gates of hell.
Couriering, like any other job has its good and bad points.
But in my opinion it beats being stuck indoors.
It is actually quite enjoyable aswell during the decent weather.
I wouldn't think anyone needs it spelt out to them the negative points about biking in winter as i'm sure the majority have experienced some sort of winter riding.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lurker wrote:
Annoys me why some people feel the need to lecture to people on bike forums about the pitfalls of couriering.
Make it sound like there entering the gates of hell.
Couriering, like any other job has its good and bad points.
But in my opinion it beats being stuck indoors.
It is actually quite enjoyable aswell during the decent weather.
I wouldn't think anyone needs it spelt out to them the negative points about biking in winter as i'm sure the majority have experienced some sort of winter riding.


couldnt agree more! Thumbs Up Wink

like i said i know its a knackering job but i also know that if i was THAT much against it i wouldnt do it SIMPLE! but i do enjoy it so ill do it....& once again SIMPLE!

now anymore suggestions on bikes? i am clocking what ones have already been said CHEERS! Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bandit(400,600,650)? Renowned mile-munchers, parts are plentiful, and they're dirt cheap to start with.

Accessories such as top boxes and panniers should be absolute piss to get hold of, too...

I'm not a fan of the bandit to be honest, it just seems overrated to me, but io haven't ridden one. Everyone who has says they're fantastic commuters.

Other than that, what about a fazer?

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm riding Honda CB250's, the newer one's I mean, they are ideal for London work, been using one for about 2 and a half years now. Sadly this bike is no longer made but you can get a decent second hand one . The only problem is getting a rack, Givi no longer make the kit so if you get a CB250 make sure it has a rack on it.

Another choice would be a Honda CB500, again not made anymore but there are loads out there in good condition.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or go ultra cheap and buy two MZ250s. They are pretty reliable in the way that only an air cooled, piston ported 2-smoke can be. Plus you can totally strip and rebuild the engine down to the crank in about eight hours (less with practice).

Parts are readily available with a 48h delivery time from Germany ex-stock. Motorcycling doesn't come any cheaper.

You will get two MZ 2-smokes (good ones) for under a grand and insure them for peanuts. Then you have a spare, which is always handy.

Or what about a slightly older R series BMW? I know this is bigger than you wanted but they will take a huge amount of abuse. They've only been making the boxer engine for the last 60 years or so.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yoshi wrote:
A Hayabusa with turbos and NOS! You can advertise that you are the 250mph courier, guaranteed to get the parcel there in 5 minutes, but they have to pay the speeding tickets!


that would actually work if you had a bike registered in Europe as I recall an article about gatsos catching foreign plate vehicles and the DVLA not being able to do anything about it , much as this german girl parks on double yellows all the time gets tickets and cobs them away.


But then virgin do an express taxi service 160% more expensive than a black cab but guarenteed to get you anywhere in central london ASAP
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Sickpup should be able to help you with this question. I imagine it mostly depends where you're doing it; in town I should think you could get away with a scooter.


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

C90 Hideous but any competant DR once they get over the shock of riding one should do £60+ a day on one.

CG125 Not much to say really. You all know what they are like and any competant DR should do £70+ a day on one.

CD250 Absolutely love em. cost nothing to run, nothing to insure, totally reliable, parts are very cheap from Dave Silvers but they have one weak point the rear hub. The rear sprocket has a weird fixing and when it wears it shatters the rear hub which is no longer available as a spare. I was using one up until christmas when my rear hub went earning £100-£140 for an 8 hour day. OWned 3 of these on my fleet, most reliable bike I ever rented out.

CB250 nighthawk What Matt uses. Very good updated version of the CD 250. Good solid little bike with no real weaknesses except the rack problem, some came with a little chrome rear rack that a topbox will just about fit on but most didn't. Rear tyre can be a bit of a problem as it's some weird custom size so tends to be pricey. I don't recommend these for people over 5'10 as the riding position causes lower back pain and vague front end handling.

Superdreams Getting a little old now but if you can find one in good condition could be worth it. The BSA rebuilds are good but very rare.

BROS 400 Good little bike but underpowered. Same running costs as a BROS650 and a bit higher than an NTV. No rack available for it. We used to modify Nonfango racks to fit but Nonfango is no more. High mileage ones tend to shred the splines off the gearbox output shaft so there are a lot around with the front sprocket welded on. Second gear is also a problem. Cannot be rebored as no over size pistons available. Bros's are very hard on oil. I recommend fully synth changed every 4000mls. The gearbox seems to shear the oil very quickly. Whatever you put in will look old in under 1000mls. Engine bars sometimes available.I owned 5 of these on my hire fleet.

CB-1 Amazing little bike. Good power, handling and reliability. Down side is a very revvy motor so high fuel costs. Very good on oil, fully synth lasts about 6000mls and comes out looking like new. Cam gears wear on unserviced bikes. Getting hard to get parts for especially 2nd hand as they only made them for 2 years 89-91. Two different versions US has welded on pillion footrests hangers and the rest of world had bolt on. The exhaust is the big weakness on these, one piece stainles skin with a quick rust baffle. Rear tyre is an unusual size so don't expect discounts. No engine bars available last time I looked. Owned 2 of these on my fleet.

Super four Underpowered, heavy, expensive to run, expensive to maintain especially when compared to a CB-1. Not reccomended.

CB500 Never been a fan myself. Always seemed underpowered and crap handling to me but lots of Dr's use them so they must have something going for them. If you must have one get a P 'reg' with the rear drum brake. You don't need a disc and the shoes last 40k before needing changing at a cost of £25 compared to at least 10 sets of pads at £14 each.

GT550/750 Very reliable when new. These days the electrics tend to be dodgy, rear air shocks are dead, gearboxs are dead but the real big weakness is needing new carbs at anything between 30-60k. Discs are also a problem as they wear very quickly although 1mm thicker discs are available. Rear hubs also ovalise. Engine bars still available.

BROS650 Same as a 400 but more comfortable due to being faster. Wind speed takes the weight off the wrists. Can be rebored. Owned 3 of these for my fleet.

NTV600/650 One of my favourites. Small people have a lot of problems handling these. They are physically big heavy bikes and if you weigh less than 12 stone don't get one. Every big person I know thats had one loves them, every small person crashed very often. Second gear is not really up to the job. Fleet bikes can take out second gear in less than 500miles but if you own the bike and don't over rev in first they last forever. Hard on oil 4000mls change with full synth to keep in good order. Loads of parts everywhere for these. I have a 600 in my lockup still going strong with 105k miles on it. Good for wheelies as well. A good engine will lift on the throttle in 2nd gear. Engine bars are not available for these.

As the man says what you get depends on the work you do. I don't do distance at the moment just around the 25 so I don't need anything big and fast. I also nomally ride between 4 and 7 up so need a topbox and panniers. Fast bikes also cost you money as you use more petrol and miss the extra drops, just cruise at the limit and you earn more. Being constant earns more money that being fast.


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