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craigs23
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Symptons of Worn Bearings Reply with quote

Hi all,

Trying to determine which of my bearings need replacing.

What symptons are assosiated with

Arrow Worn Front Wheel Bearings

Arrow Worn Steering Stem Bearings (any difference between top and bottom?)

Cheers.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not easy to change just one of the steering head bearings (quite often you need take the one out to get the a decent angle to take the other out.

Steering head bearings often develop a notchy feel. Hold the front wheel in the air and gently turn the bars. See if you can feel uneven pressure required to turn the bars.

All the best

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craigs23
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pressure left/right is fine, with no notchiness or restriction - the problem seems to be when riding/pushing the bike around.

When stationary, if I pull on the front brake and gentle rock (not pump) the bike (so that the suspension doesn't move), there's a light tapping through the clippons. Last time I recall, there was a slight tap when riding over bumps (especially rutted/bumpy roads, although not constantly), or when wheeling the bike around over low kerbs and what not. The front suspension is set relatively hard atm to illeviate the lack of damping, could be emphasising the problem.
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be worn out fork bushs or stanchions.

I've also seen this with cracked/loose clip ons, cracked yokes, loose/damaged calipers and loose fitting brake pads.
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finpos
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, don't discount the big old nut that holds the steering stem having come loose. Should be locked somehow, but if someones been at the steering bearings before, it's always a possibility (and very cheap to fix - my favourite).

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craigs23
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, to start ticking things off the list:

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Could be worn out fork bushs or stanchions. I've also seen this with cracked/loose clip ons, cracked yokes, loose/damaged calipers and loose fitting brake pads.


Could be the bushes....clipons are in fine condition, ditto the yoke, callipers have been replaced and the problem persists.

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Also, don't discount the big old nut that holds the steering stem having come loose


That was torque wrenched back to the setting as per manual, hasn't done any miles since this so I doubt it would have come loose.
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finpos
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo! - if the bearings were only changed recently, then DEFINITELY check the big nut again. There's two possibilities:

1. I don't know how the nut is locked on your bike, but if it wasn't done right, two or three waggles of the handlebars may be enough to start to loosen it.
2. Both doing up the nut and dropping the weight of the bike onto the front wheel for the first time may have had the effect of seating the bearings. So again, that nut might no longer be as tight as you think.

Should be easy enough to check without any dismantling, though.

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craigs23
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bearings weren't replaced, just greased/tightened. There's no two ways of adjusting them or tightening down the nut. The bearings were tightened according to the manual spec; the lock nut ends were folded back into position, the yoke was clamped down in place, the steering stem nut was then tightened to the torque setting from the Haynes manual.
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:

When stationary, if I pull on the front brake and gentle rock (not pump) the bike (so that the suspension doesn't move), there's a light tapping through the clippons.


Could also be a bit of play in the brake disc if they are floaters.

If you put your thumb on the point where the steering stem goes through the headstock (so part of your thumb is on the frame and part of it is on the steering) then repeat the rocking, you should be able to feel if there is any play between the two. Usually just needs tightening down a bit. If it becomes notchy after being tightened or still has play in it, THEN you need to replace the bearings.
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craigs23
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks peeps, I'll try retightening the head races again over the weekend Thumbs Up
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craigs23
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re-checked the headraces - still seem to be making the noise, despite the new callipers (which possibly emilinates that source).

Fork Bushes maybe? The noise doesn't seem to be coming from the headstock - slightly lower down Confused
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