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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Good riders Reply with quote

Hi

What single and measureable feature of a riders style would you say would identify a good road rider?

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:32 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

its either a toss up between:

confidence/self belief*

Knowing ones limits and not going too far over them


*this isn't conclusive however since you get over confident people too
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure that those are measureable though.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just thinking that myself being that those are intangibles
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The distance they keep from the vehicle in front.


I would say observation distance, ie how far in front they would identify something that could pull out. But not sure if this is measurable...
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Measurable is the word there, I can't think of a way to measure most of the enviable traits most good riders display;

Courtesy
Common sense
Cool head
Confidence

Best skill to have is knowledge I think though. If you know why a bike does what it does and how it will react to certain conditions/inputs then it can only help you extract the best from yourself and the bike. Being caught by surprise is probably the undoing of most people.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we talking road riders, track or both here? Just reminds me of an interview with John Surtees in Bike.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say how often they use the brakes, a very good rider will only ever use the brakes to come to a halt, all other speed control should in theory be done with engine braking and perhaps the back brake.

Of course anyone who's giving it some will want to use the front brake to slow down, and everyone over-cooks it every now and then.

But in theory, my vote is brake useage.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Information management and prioritisation.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Observation and Planning



Defiantly the key to safe use of just about any type of vehicle from a skateboard to HGV
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arse crack visibility

If you can see it they're shite (Sitting too far back on the bike which in turn creates a longer reach ot the handlebars, poor clothing protection, no consideration for other road users who have to see it).

If you can't then they're capable (Upright posture which in turn assists traffic awareness, Sufficient clothing defence specifically in the butt area, Nil windchill factor).

Of course if they're wearing low rise denims then you can chuck the aforementioned submissions in the crapper.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Main point I was trying to come up with was that it must be measurable.

Reaction times are a part of it, but good reactions are worth nothing if you are only observing a metre in front of the bike.

Personal idea for a measureable way of seeing a road riders quality would be the amount their speed varies .

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount of hi vis clothing they are wearing. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

smooth flowing riding
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balls, the fast riders main tool.

Observation-The road riders main tool.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dr evil wrote:
smooth flowing riding


I was gonna say that.

Smoothness.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good as in skilled or good as in well behaved? Wink

Not sure if you can measure someone's style....

1. How many accidents they have had (if any)
2. How long they have been riding
3. Distance they have riden (impossible to measure)
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: Good riders Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
...What single and measureable feature of a riders style would you say would identify a good road rider?...

How about the IAM and/or RoSPA rider badge sticker?
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Observation, without a doubt - and according to the Hazard Perception Test it is measurable.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: Good riders Reply with quote

map wrote:
How about the IAM and/or RoSPA rider badge sticker?


Is that a point in their favour, or a point against them?

Agree that observation is a key to a good rider, but I do not think it is measureable and would hold the hazard perception test up as proof of that.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:48 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I would find it difficult to pick any one particular measurable aspect of riding and say "this is it". I believe it varies from one rider to another, some may be stronger in one area than another, e.g. have better forward planning, another better reactions, etc. I would also put experience down as being another fairly big factor as well as those already mentioned, but how it could be measured I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miraclefish wrote:
I'd say how often they use the brakes, a very good rider will only ever use the brakes to come to a halt, all other speed control should in theory be done with engine braking and perhaps the back brake.

Of course anyone who's giving it some will want to use the front brake to slow down, and everyone over-cooks it every now and then.

But in theory, my vote is brake useage.


I'm not sure if I would agree with that. I was taught to use the rear brake when travelling under 20mph, and to use the front or front/back combination over this speed. Not that I'm syaing that's the right thing to do, but I would hope that this was advice on how to be a better rider and not just something they teach you to pass your test.

I would go with time distance from the vehicle ahead for a measured feature, as this a part of awareness and planning, which I would consider the most important skill for road riding.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The single most measurable sign of a good rider is quite clearly how many Ginsters he can eat in one sitting. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't measure distance from vehicle ahead except in a non-overtaking situation.

I don't believe that there is any one thing that is measureable and can define a good rider but I would say that the level of braking is a good one. Roadcraft states that, if you have to brake heavily, then your planning isnt good enough, I'd go with that.

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