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Deano
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: puegeot speedfight 50cc, wont start 2 stroke "urgent pl Reply with quote

Rite, just swapped my shocks front and back. Started the bike so I could go for a test ride and it was flooded so the bike really revved quite alot for a few minutes in fact at full revs. after a few minutes the bike died down and cut out.

I tried to re-start the thing and it won't start. at first, I thought it was flooded again, so I took the spark plug out and kicked it a few times to spit fuel out of the cylinder head. didn't work. so I took the carb apart to see if the float bowl was jammed, which it wasn't but i did find some crap at the bottom of the float bowl which I quickly removed and checked for any blockages which their were none.

IM just really stuck at the moment, the sparkplug is oil fouled so Im fearing the worse, which won't help my situation at the moment.


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PostPosted: 17:34 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

it shouldnt rev at full RPM if its flooded, it should bog down and cut out.

are you sure it isnt an air leak between the carb and engine?
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: scoot Reply with quote

if plug is realy oiled..........pop plug and test compresion ...
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compression seems fine. when I was testing for a good spark I put a cloth in the sprakplug hole and the compression would pop the cloth straight out.

the carb is tightly screwed on to the engine.

I also retraced my steps earlier and found that I had accidently blocked the furl tank vacuum hose by clamping it. sorted this out but still no better.[/code]
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 14 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

take the carb off and make sure its properly sealed with some gasket sealent.

one slight leak and it will revs it's sack off like you said it did.

also check to make sure your carb slide or cable isnt stuck, you'll have a job to start the bike if the throttles stuck open
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

just took the carb apat again and cleaned everything out. whilst I was check the throttle cable which was not jammed. still wont start.

even when I flip the throttle open when starting the ped it doesn't make much of the boggin noise it usually does. I still think its majorly flooded.

just left the sparkplug off to try and dry out any fuel/water/wd40 that might be in their.

anyone else got any suggestions? the thing has got a good spark and the carb is fine.

Anyone please I really need this thing working for tomrrow!
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just remembered something. when the bike started and started to rev its nuts off I put had to put the back brake on to stop it goin all over the place.

will have this cause any damage?
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

u said it went at full rpm for 2 minutes, why didnt you hit the killswitch or turn it off?

are you sure theres petrol in it lol
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worrys, its fixed now. looks like I really really flooded it, I took the sparky out and left it for 2 hours and started it first try.

their is no killswitch mate and not that much of an amatuer to not check the fuel mate.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deano wrote:

their is no killswitch mate and not that much of an amatuer to not check the fuel mate.


But to much of an amateur to turn the ignition key off.

He was only asking.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows that amateur-ish and my post was not me bein stuckup.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 15 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike was reving it's nuts off out of control and you let it when turning the key would have stopped it.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 16 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO that is amateur'ish Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 17 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, the bike has an automatic choke, so it does it every time the thing starts up cold. I was only worried by the fact that it did it so long because of the potential engine damage.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 17 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The auto choke will not cause the engine to rev its nuts off and is on for more than the 2 mins that yours reved for.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 18 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I suppose you know from experience from owning a peugeot speedfight 50 then Neutral
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I just know from experience of being a service manager in a place that dumped Peugeot due to bad quality control.

Been a while since I worked on one but isn't the auto choke a brass enclosed heater element or something in the carb? If so how will this make the engine rev its nuts off?

Do you want help or do you want an arguement?
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 21 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope I don't want an argument, quite the opposite. from what I can see the gurtner carburetter is heat sensitive (obviously) which when it detect that the engine is cold it opens another feed of fuel into the suction of the engine, not too sure if it atomises the fuel though probably just dumps loads for a certain tim period or when the right temperature is reached.

I've spoken to the Andrew and anthony from this website. Thats who I got the moped from and apparently a bad batch of my speedfight 2 50cc's had carburations faults. One of the parts inside the carb had to be changed. this ped hadnt had the change done because apparently anthony would of had to pay £50 to get it replaced and fitted. this fault caused bad idle, so alot of cutting at at low revs and apparently sometimes when starting from cold you would rev the bike and it wouldnt move anywhere.

it will be eventually replaced but Im doin one thing at a time as Im short of money
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've repaired Speedfights and Vivacitys for the last 5 years and none of them has ever reved up un controllably when started from cold, I would suggest that your carburettor is seriously in need of an over haul and certainly the Cold start device needs checking. On choke the bike should not pull if the rear wheel is held on the ground, and the engine should never be left running faster than a quick tick over, no more than 2k rpm.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 23 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deano wrote:
this fault caused bad idle, so alot of cutting at at low revs and apparently sometimes when starting from cold you would rev the bike and it wouldnt move anywhere.



Dean this problem with the carbs on your year of scooter will NOT cause it to cut out. For gods sake, the bike hadn't been started for 2 years, i got it working within 10 minutes and it idled for over 30 mins (WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS), i then rode it around for about 10 miles and it didn't cut out once.

Once i got it started first time, i managed to get it started first time everytime with the kick and now you're managing to flood it using the electric start....

As usual you have borked a perfectly fine bike. Confused

Just like to add that the replacment part would address the problem of pulling away after a long time on idle, i told you how to get around this, simply start the bike and ride it straight away, taking care not to rev the nuts out of it.

You then decided that the idle needed to be turned up?!?! Wtf?? Then instead of putting it back how it was (working) you decided to strip the carbs down and from what i can gather have caused major problems when there were none in the first place.

I give up.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 23 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, if you don't know what you're doing get someone who does to help you. It sounds to me like you are making the problem worse by tinkering.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 23 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ancientd wrote:
Mmm, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, if you don't know what you're doing get someone who does to help you. It sounds to me like you are making the problem worse by tinkering.


I would have jumped on that bike and ridden it to Scotland and back. I am that confident there was nothing wrong with it until he started playing with the carb.

The only problem he was having with it was that if you left it on idle for too long it would hesitate when pulling away, if you applied the throttle gradually rather than pinning it back (like he was) then it would eventually clear its throat and move with no problems.

My solution to this was to start it and ride it straight away (with a small amount of throttle to pull away) and increasing the revs as the temperature increases.

I'm not taking this piss, it is just very annoying, that bike cost my brother 2k when it was new and it had hardly been used.

Now by the sounds of it, it is fucked. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 23 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical scooter, if you leave them ticking over the engine gets too hot and the mixture leans out too much, so if you give it a handfull it will stall, splutter and even stop.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 23 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ancientd wrote:
Typical scooter, if you leave them ticking over the engine gets too hot and the mixture leans out too much, so if you give it a handfull it will stall, splutter and even stop.


Which is all that was wrong with it, the NSR i used to have did the same thing. Itchy fingers you see, that's all that is wrong with the poor bike.

I recommended taking it to a local bloke (who's a top mechanic) and getting him to rebuild the carb and give the whole lot the once over, this bloke does it on the side and would have done it for no more than £20.

All i get is "working on carbs is piss easy", it might be, but something obviously isn't right, whereas it was fine before anyone touched it.
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