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 azrs1 L Plate Warrior
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 Posted: 02:44 - 20 Jan 2006 Post subject: PLEASE BEWARE - AK THE TWO STROKE CENTRE - PLEASE HELP!!! |
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It makes me so sick how garages/workshops who name themselves the 'best' or 'honest' screw novice riders when they bring their bike in.
I'm new to motorbikes in general, nothing to hide about that, EVERYONE starts somewhere, and was overwhelmed by the sort of acceptance you get when you become a rider, little things like riding down the road and another rider passes and gives you the nod, or when you park your bike up and a biker starts having a conversation about bikes and life in general, it's like a brotherhood, a really good vibe if you know what I mean.
But one thing wrecks this, and it's these cowboy garages/workshops who like to make money out of the vunerable i.e 'novice/beginner'.
And I'm talking about this place.
AK THE 2 STROKE CENTRE Here's their website www.ak-the-2stroke-centre.com (calls himself a specialist with Aprilia RS 125's)
Before I go on, quite simply the guy who owns this place named ASH (the only mechanic) f**ked me over big time.
My Aprilia RS 125 was in perfect order, the bike is a 2004 model, 3 services on its book, everything pretty much new. As I said before, don't know much about bikes but I tried to do some 'maintanance' on the bike.
Somehow the clutch cable popped out of its holding which feeds into the transmision gear box (the left hand side of the engine), this meant taking the cover and gasket off just to pop the bloody thing back in.
PROBLEM!...., I did'nt know how to assemble the gearbox back up again, and could'nt get hold of the workshop manual these dealers have. So I decided to take my RS 125 to this hell raise of a place AK THE TWO STROKE CENTRE, as the guy sounded like a good person on the phone, very fair price for price and I quote him 'it's only a HALF AN HOUR JOB TO DO'.
I thought, man this really is a fair guy and sounds genuine.
Taken my bike there, left it with him, expecting back on the same day or next day.
Rang him the next day, he say's, 'sorry you gonna have to leave it with me, as I'm quite booked up till next week' so it jumped from a day to week and a half wait?
He calls me later that week, and says 'do you know your tyres are punctured?' I tell him you've got the wrong bike if your talking about mine, as there was nothing wrong with the bike when I left it with you.
HE TELLS ME THERE ARE NAILS IN THE TYRES!!! AND THEY KEEP GOING DOWN!! WTF??? I WAS SHOCKED, AND I KNEW FROM RIGHT THERE THAT THIS GUY SMELLS LIKE A COWBOY!
HE THEN STARTS SWEARING AND SHOUTING AT ME WHEN I QUESTION THIS, TELLING ME PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING, WHEN ALL I WANTED TO KNOW HOW ON EARTH DID THEY SUDDENLY HAVE NAILS IN THEM. CUT THE STORY SHORT, HE BASCIALLY BRIBED ME, HE KNEW THERE WAS NO WAY OF ME BRINGING THE BIKE BACK FROM HIS PLACE AS I HAVE NO VAN OR TRAILER AND IT WOULD BE MORE MONEY FOR ME TO PAY HIM TO DROP IT AT MY HOUSE, ALL I WANTED WAS MY BIKE BACK, SO I SAID JUST FIT THE NEW TYRES ON (KNOWING DEEP INSIDE THAT HE DID PUNCTURE THEM). FEW DAYS AFTER I GO TO PICK MY BIKE UP, HE TRIES TO APOLOGISE FOR HIS BEHAVIOUR BUT ALL I WANT TO DO IS PAY AND GET OF HERE, HE DROPS THE BILL, £300!!!!! FOR THE NEW TYRES AND 'HALF AN HOUR LABOUR'. WE ARGUE, HE STARTS DOING HIS SWEARING THING AGAIN SO I JUST PAY AND GO.
TEN MINUTES INTO THE JOURNEY HOME, THE TRANSMISSION BOX MAKES A CRUNCHING NOISE!!! AND GEAR SEIZE, I LOSE CONTROL OF MY BIKE AND SLIP OFF (NOTHING MAJOR, SLOW SPEED) I IMMEDIATELY CALL HIM AS I WAS FIRED UP I WANTED TO GO BACK AND BEAT THE S**T OUT OF THIS GUY, HIS PHONE IS OFF, I CALL THE ROAD RESCUE PEOPLE TO PICK ME UP, WE GO BACK TO THE GARAGE AND IT'S ALL SHUT.
NOW I'M BACK AT MY HOUSE, I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO? WHAT SHOULD I DO? WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS? |
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Forget CAB. Take some proper legal advice.
ake a diary of all events, simalar to what you've written above.
Keep all documents/paperwork.
If all else fails....BCF meet anyone?
Has anyone else used this dealer? Where abouts is he based?? ____________________ Where does a turn end? 'Where you can do anything with the gas you want to, where you are brave again, where your attention is free from the turn, where you are sure you can do it better next time; that's the end' - Keith Code. |
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If he knew that the work he'd done on your gearbox was such that the bike was unsafe for road use, then you might have a case of criminal negligence that you can bring against him.
You should go to the citizens advice bureau and see what they say. Wont cost you anything to talk to them.
Oh, and welcome to BCF.  ____________________ <Simple> no I'm shaven Jon
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oh yeah, when i was there, my brake lines needed replacing, but ash said dave couldnt help as they had too much to do.
so i had to ride from there to fowlers (and another £120 bill) with NO brakes. as your probably aware there are some STEEP hills on the way back into bristol, so it took me 3 hours (a 10 mile journey) most of this spent going down hill using the ignition cut off and boots as barkkes....yes i went very slow. and my boots were wrecked!
this was because dave had bled them ready to do them, before being dragged away.
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Hi
Do not touch the bike yourself. Do get some legal advice (possibly from your credit card company, possibly from the AA / RAC if you are a member). I suspect they will tell you to get an independent opinion of what has been done.
My guess would be that they have either not replaced the gearbox oil or they have left something in the gearbox. These are very much guesses though, based on what you have said.
Couple of things. It is possible to put a new clutch cable onto an RS125 without taking off the clutch casing, and you do not need to drain the oil either. You will need to take off the clutch casing if the end of the cable has come off (not likely unless someone has bodged the cable in the past). Were they refitting the existing cable or fitting a new cable?
It might be amusing to ring him up from the CAB office with him on a speaker phone .
All the best
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It is not citizens advice you want. It is trading standards. Call them for advice.
You will need some WRITTEN correspondance. The guys at trading standards will tell you a few select phrases to include. Your letter should contain a statement of your recollection of what has happened, why you find this unacceptable (be specific, this is the place for the phrases and acts of parliment trading standards give you), what you want him to do about it and finally a period in which you require a written response (seven days).
Send it recorded delivery, keep a copy of the letter and staple the delivery receipt to it as proof you sent it.
Keep the style of your letter formal, stick to facts, do NOT get personal. Below is a copy of my letter of complaint to the guys who sold me my bike (slightly different situation, but that is the type of thing you should aim for). Do not imply that he damaged your bike deliberately but do mention that he has used discourteous and abusive language over the phone to you.
If the guy is anything like your description, he will throw it in the bin. You will probebly need to send a second, stronger letter threatning legal action, mention you have consulted with trading standards. He will probably throw this in the bin too, at this point trading standards should be showing an interest in paying him a visit.
It may be worthwhile seeing if you can get a REPUTABLE motorcycle mechanic to do a report on the damage to your bike and if possible what caused the seizure (no gearbox oil would be my favourite). Unfortunately, this will cost you.
| Quote: | Dear Sir,
When I purchased my first brand new motorcycle off yourselves I gave careful consideration as to what this major purchase should be. When I saw the MZ Baghira, the styling appealed to me and the price was very competitive. Despite this being a relatively new model, I felt that the long history of the MZ name counteracted the somewhat tarnished reputation the marque attracted during the 1980s and the inclusion of a two year warranty justified my decision to buy one.
Having owned the motorcycle for around eighteen months and even recommended it to many people who asked for my opinion of this striking and different motorcycle, you can imagine my disappointment when it suffered an engine seizure. Despite this, I felt my decision to buy new was justified and took some solace in the fact that, as the motorcycle was still under warranty, it would not be long before I was back on the road. This occurred on the 25th of June this year and I immediately arranged for the motorcycle to be recovered to your premises, being the dealer from whom I had made the original purchase.
My motorcycle has now been in your possession for approaching six weeks, during which time I have been assured that a new engine is being supplied and fitted. I am sure this is the case and that you intend to carry out the repair, I do feel however that the length of time this is taking is unacceptable and not what I expected from a modern motorcycle company. It has been mentioned that the delay is due to the time taken for parts to be delivered from the MZ factory, be this as it may, my purchase was made from yourselves and it is your responsibility to ensure that these repairs are carried out in a timely fashion.
I have been without my motorcycle for the last five weeks through the height of summer, a time when I would normally be using it to tour the country and attend various motorcycle rallies and shows. Instead, I have spent four valuable weekends of time off work engaged in activities other than riding my motorcycle, a situation which I find extremely frustrating. This whole episode has made me reconsider my decision to purchase a new motorcycle in future as I find the inconvenience of being without it outweighs the benefits of having a warranty such as this appears to be.
I feel I have been as accommodating as possible in this matter, I had the motorcycle recovered at my own expense and I have supplied any documentation requested promptly. Additionally I feel not to have been unduly pushy with regard to the repairs and suffered with reasonably good grace the inconvenience of travelling home from your premises on public transport at my own expense and the curtailment of my annual motorcycling holiday by four days.
What I would like from yourselves is a firm date in the very near future when I can pick up my fully repaired motorcycle in the hope that I have not missed out on the best weekends of the summer, time is of the essence. If you cannot supply me with a timely date, or if a further delay is anticipated, I expect you to provide me with an alternative motorcycle of a similar quality to my own for my use until such a time as the repairs are carried out to my satisfaction.
I trust you will do your utmost to be of assistance in this matter.
Yours sincerely,
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Do what stinky said.
Fantastic advice there. ____________________ <Simple> no I'm shaven Jon
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 20 years, 262 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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