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zorgman
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 21 Jan 2006    Post subject: cat b spares only can be put back on road Reply with quote
back in sept i asked about putting a cat b spares only back on road. well got me a shiny new log book today and its now ready to go out, heres how its done.
make sure you have the engine number and the frame number intact, send off for the log book with £19 to dvla, bout 2 mths later police land at door to see bike make sure that any old parts you replace are kept and any invoices for new or old, and thats it a very cheap bike ive got now.
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just one problem. It's still recorded as a Cat B write off so as far as insurance is concerned the bike is worthless.

This means don't crash or get it nicked.
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Rookie
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
TPO insurance then. Still, since it was so cheap (I expect), it's probably a decent investment.
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PostPosted: 03:59 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rookie wrote:
TPO insurance then. Still, since it was so cheap (I expect), it's probably a decent investment.


Even though when it comes to be sold it has to be sold as a Cat B write off or the question of fraud raises it's ugly head. How would you feel if the lovely shiney nike you just bought was a Cat B?
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PostPosted: 04:12 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:


Even though when it comes to be sold it has to be sold as a Cat B write off or the question of fraud raises it's ugly head. How would you feel if the lovely shiney nike you just bought was a Cat B?


Of course this only applies if he plans to sell it at some point.

But I would expect to be told it was a Cat B write off. I wouldn't have any qualms about buying a Cat B as a runaround, if I was told about it and the price was adjusted accordingly. But I certainly wouldn't be happy if I found out it was a Cat B, having shelled out for a 'normal' bike.
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PostPosted: 04:13 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just replace the frame? Confused
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cat b's cannot be put back on the road without swapping the frame (then it becomes the donor bike) i think the dvla have cocked up there Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
Cat b's cannot be put back on the road without swapping the frame (then it becomes the donor bike) i think the dvla have cocked up there Rolling Eyes


Is that a DVLA rule or an insurance industry rule? Not seen anything from the DVLA about it.

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PostPosted: 14:08 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:

Is that a DVLA rule or an insurance industry rule? Not seen anything from the DVLA about it.

All the best

Keith


Old insurance rule that DVLA have taken to heart which as far as I can find has no basis within law.

If someone can find the law regarding this and I don't mean quotes off the DVLA or VOSA websites I would be interested.

My old RG250 had 3 write off notices on it issued by the police (V23? form) yet was stil road legal
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mr.tattoo
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
cat b cant go back on the road under the same identity, has to be a diferent frame then it has to be sort of vro checked before isuing new docs ect, must be a huge cock up Laughing
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
Kickstart wrote:

Is that a DVLA rule or an insurance industry rule? Not seen anything from the DVLA about it.

All the best

Keith


Old insurance rule that DVLA have taken to heart which as far as I can find has no basis within law.

If someone can find the law regarding this and I don't mean quotes off the DVLA or VOSA websites I would be interested.

My old RG250 had 3 write off notices on it issued by the police (V23? form) yet was stil road legal


see here
https://www.abi.org.uk/Display/File/Child/387/MotorVehicleSalvage.pdf

I've had cat c & d's (both catergorys technicaly write offs) but anyone who attempts to use a cat b on the road is asking for trouble.

and regardless of wether you can find a law relating to it or not it's common sense that a vehicle designated cat a or b SHOULD NOT be returned to the road.

And this is not a loosely formed opinion i used to work for a salvage dealer.
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:


see here
https://www.abi.org.uk/Display/File/Child/387/MotorVehicleSalvage.pdf

I've had cat c & d's (both catergorys technicaly write offs) but anyone who attempts to use a cat b on the road is asking for trouble.

and regardless of wether you can find a law relating to it or not it's common sense that a vehicle designated cat a or b SHOULD NOT be returned to the road.

And this is not a loosely formed opinion i used to work for a salvage dealer.


I've seen Cat B's for a scratch in the paint of a frame so it's not always common sense.

Still only guidelines not law.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:

see here
https://www.abi.org.uk/Display/File/Child/387/MotorVehicleSalvage.pdf

I've had cat c & d's (both catergorys technicaly write offs) but anyone who attempts to use a cat b on the road is asking for trouble.


That is the insurance industry code of practice, so not legally binding. I still have not seen anything that says that a cat a or b cannot legally be put back on the road.

gsxrmick wrote:
and regardless of wether you can find a law relating to it or not it's common sense that a vehicle designated cat a or b SHOULD NOT be returned to the road..


Why? If it is properly repaired? Cat a and b are used often when there is no reason it cannot be repaired (and even a frame can easily be replaced with a brand new one).

All the best

Keith
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
cat b's are usually frame damage, so if you change the frame the bikes identity changes anyway.

and they are regulations not guidelines. Very Happy
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:

and they are regulations not guidelines. Very Happy


Which are still not law and are often not followed which is why Cat B's turn up for sale with V5's.
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:

and they are regulations not guidelines. Very Happy


Which are still not law and are often not followed which is why Cat B's turn up for sale with V5's.


Try insuring one. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
cat b's are usually frame damage, so if you change the frame the bikes identity changes anyway.


Nope, a new frame comes without a frame number and are stamped with the frame number of the existing frame. And frame damage might well not be relevant (eg, light scratch on the frame rails).

gsxrmick wrote:
and they are regulations not guidelines. Very Happy


Not even that. The link you posted is a "code of practice". Not a legal requirement.

All the best

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sickpup
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:

Try insuring one. Rolling Eyes


Wish people would learn to read Rolling Eyes

Sickpup wrote:

My old RG250 had 3 write off notices on it issued by the police (V23? form) yet was stil road legal


If you have a reg it can be insured.

Only becomes relevant in the event of a claim.
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which part of you can't put a cat b back on the road dont you understand?

my 1st concern is where he got a cat b from in the 1st place? as you need to be a registered scrap yard / salvage dealer to buy one and once you have you need to prove it has been destroyed or you lose your licence and cant but them anymore.

you obviously dont belive me so try this site, they are the salvage part on norwich union and others

https://www.bluecycle.com/help_catb.html
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:

Try insuring one. Rolling Eyes


Wish people would learn to read Rolling Eyes


where in this post does it state someone has insured a cat b???

i have insured cat c's and d's


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Sickpup wrote:

My old RG250 had 3 write off notices on it issued by the police (V23? form) yet was stil road legal


If you have a reg it can be insured.

Only becomes relevant in the event of a claim


the point is that he shouldnt have got a v5 for it
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I should have said V23'd as a total write off.

The point is the code system only works as long as people abide by it. Many salvagers don't and Ebay is making the situation worse.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 22 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
Which part of you can't put a cat b back on the road dont you understand?


The bit where there is no legal reason why it cannot go back on the road. There may be some insurance industry policies not to allow it but they are not legally binding.

gsxrmick wrote:
my 1st concern is where he got a cat b from in the 1st place? as you need to be a registered scrap yard / salvage dealer to buy one and once you have you need to prove it has been destroyed or you lose your licence and cant but them anymore.


Plenty sold, and plenty are kept by the person whose bike it was when they wrote it off. For example, this is what happened to WildGoose with his R6. He sold it on Ebay (it became a track bike).

All the best

Keith
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