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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: New Bike Suggestions Reply with quote
After being told that the GPZ500 doesn't take too well to restriction, so I need advice on a good first big bike to get (Want to get test over and done with now, and I can't afford DAS)

Arrow Must be under £1100ish
Arrow Must be comfy
Arrow Must have some sort of wind protection
Arrow Must restrict to 33BHP well

Think that's about it, suggest away!
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greatmoorred
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
what about an ER-5 or a GS500
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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Would rather something faired (sports/touring) Sad
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Lucy
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
CB500S?
https://home.arcor.de/deorai/corner-left-cb500s.gif

Kawasaki ZZR250 came to mind, imports though so may be hard to find Confused
Looks the same as the 600 and 1100, just smaller.
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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lucy wrote:
CB500S?
https://home.arcor.de/deorai/corner-left-cb500s.gif

Kawasaki ZZR250 came to mind, imports though so may be hard to find Confused
Looks the same as the 600 and 1100, just smaller.


Oooh, shiny, will have a look at that.
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greatmoorred
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you find a nice CB500 for £1100 let me know Very Happy
ive been looking for about a month and cant find one.
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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmm,

Dunno, bit pissed off, don't really want to go to 33BHP but don't have the cash to pay for DA Sad
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Dom_
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's your choice whether you actually restrict the bike or not.
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G
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
SV650 or TRX850 for something slightly sportier?

Can just about find slightly tatty examples of either for that money, just need to keep your eyes open.

Considered a big trailie? Can get them quite cheap and they should take fairly well to restriction as you still get a fair bit of torque with your 33hp.

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Dunno, bit pissed off, don't really want to go to 33BHP but don't have the cash to pay for DASad

Sorry, you old enough to do DAS?

If so do it - you may spend a bit more initially, but you'll save £200 on restrictors for a start! Try and get some cheap lessons on your cg maybe, then get as short a time as possible doing the DAS on the hired bike.
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MikeH
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:

If so do it - you may spend a bit more initially, but you'll save £200 on restrictors for a start! Try and get some cheap lessons on your cg maybe, then get as short a time as possible doing the DAS on the hired bike.


My thoughts exactly, do lessons on your 125 and just do a single day on a big bike, it's false economy to do it twice and you'll probably find a bigger bike easier to ride so you should breeze it.

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jok
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Toby R wrote:
really want to go to 33BHP but don't have the cash to pay for DA

If you can afford it at all, try at least one lesson on a bigger bike. You've done plenty of miles on the road already, so you know how to behave there and that is what they test you on regardless of what you're riding; all you need to learn is how to control a different bike and unless you picked up some seriously bad habits, that will come naturally Thumbs Up .

If you cannot, at least find out if you can find a pre-restricted bike in your area before you decide. The test will cost the same and fitting restrictors may well work out more expensive than the lessons.
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G
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 30 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's no significant difference between the tests as far as I know - you get asked to do exactly the same things, by the way.
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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep, I'm 21 Razz

Thanks for the info guys.
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bish777
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
There's no significant difference between the tests as far as I know - you get asked to do exactly the same things, by the way.


the bike must be 44hp or more for DAS and you cant push the bike to the side of the road if you stall it on the emergency stop like you can for the A2 test.

Other than that the test is identical.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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you cant push the bike to the side of the road if you stall it on the emergency stop like you can for the A2 test.


Are you sure ?

On my DAS I was taught to move to the side of the road ASAP after coming to a stop, with or without the engine running.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
bish777 wrote:
you cant push the bike to the side of the road if you stall it on the emergency stop like you can for the A2 test.

I was told I could on my DAS.
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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
bish777 wrote:
you cant push the bike to the side of the road if you stall it on the emergency stop like you can for the A2 test.

I was told I could on my DAS.


What does that mean?
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G
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
While doing my DAS I was told I should push my bike to the side of the Road if I stalled it while doing an emergency stop.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
While doing my DAS I was told I should push my bike to the side of the Road if I stalled it while doing an emergency stop.


I was told to push it regardless of whether I'd stalled or not as it's quicker than trying to piddle around getting into the right gear.
Certainly that's what I did on my test and nothing was mentioned.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was told to do a rear observation (both sides), sort out gears, observe again and then ride to the side of the road, which is exctly what I did on my test (and it didn't earn me any comment from the examiner). They'll make you do the stop in some quiet side road, anyway, so it's not like you don't have all the time in the world for it Thumbs Up .
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MikeH
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 01 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
jok wrote:
I was told to do a rear observation (both sides)


Yep that too, knew I'd missed something.

As for the rest of it though, the point with pushing is if your on a busy road every second might count before your rear ended so the quicker you can get out of the way the better.

E.G. you've braked hard from 60 on a main road so you could well be in top gear when you've stopped. By the time you've thought about it, lifted your foot and started dabbing the gears down you could have already moved a few foot by pushing the bike.

Swings and roundabouts and obviously its a judgement call depending on the conditions at the time.

I don't think either are wrong, but in my limited experience I think a quick push takes less thinking about in times of panic !

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PostPosted: 19:07 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
you can slip it to the side in 3rd.
although i honestly cant remember what i did on mine, but he watched me drop it down into neutral and im pretty sure he counted the gears to make sure i hadnt dabbed at it during the stop.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
MikeH wrote:
Swings and roundabouts and obviously its a judgement call depending on the conditions at the time.
The instructor did mention that "If in doubt about your safety, just drop the bike and run" Very Happy, so I guess either would work. The stop seems to be mostly and about displaying control of the machine and acting safely in an emergency.

In an actual emergency, though, it seems like it'll be a choice between the following cars bonnet getting a dent if I do either of gears or push the bike, or my life if I just leg it; I know which I'd choose Shocked .
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