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R6jonny
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="COLINWALL"]I dont think new coppers get sprayed anymore in training due to health and safety or something.

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Oh yes we bloody do .... Shocked n it fuckin hurts

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iv had it a a couple times, not nice, but def not the worst painin thw world, can stil spit/bite/headbut/kick/punch.


Wasn't the same stuff I got then. Had me decked within a couple of seconds and fit for nothing. Wasn't even able to finish saying my own name when I took the respirator off.
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PostPosted: 04:39 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Johnny'XX' wrote:
It doesn't effect me these days, not like it used too.
Most people will build up a tolerance to CS/tear gas in a fairly short order. The pepper spray mentioned is capsicum based, nasty, nasty stuff. If there is a tolerance over time for that stuff I've certainly not heard of it, what it will do however is lead to severe bronchial scarring if over exposed Confused
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I don't see why police should be allowed to carry the stuff around and use it willy nilly on who they bloody like. If a little old lady just happened to carry some for self defence they would be charged with a firearms offence and probably be thrown in a prison cell.

Do as I say, Not as I do.

Thats the message that comes across to me.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Black Knight wrote:
I don't see why police should be allowed to carry the stuff around and use it willy nilly on who they bloody like. If a little old lady just happened to carry some for self defence they would be charged with a firearms offence and probably be thrown in a prison cell.

Do as I say, Not as I do.

Thats the message that comes across to me.


Rick, i'm shocked at you..

It IS a firearm, a sec 5 firearm that we a licensed to carry, we undergo stingent training and do NOT use it willy nilly.. We have to justify why we have used it AND will have to go to court and explain WHY.
The difference between the cops and the public is a LAWFULL EXCUSE TO CARRY 'AND' a LICENSE. Neutral
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Black Knight wrote:
I don't see why police should be allowed to carry the stuff around and use it willy nilly on who they bloody like. If a little old lady just happened to carry some for self defence they would be charged with a firearms offence and probably be thrown in a prison cell.

Do as I say, Not as I do.

Thats the message that comes across to me.


Rick, i'm shocked at you..

It IS a firearm, a sec 5 firearm that we a licensed to carry, we undergo stingent training and do NOT use it willy nilly.. We have to justify why we have used it AND will have to go to court and explain WHY.
The difference between the cops and the public is a LAWFULL EXCUSE TO CARRY 'AND' a LICENSE. Neutral


Maybe.

I Don't want to tar all with the same brush but it just makes me sick to see police strutting about with frigging Batons and gas strapped to their belt. I HAVE seen bully boy tactics, and it irritates the hell out of me that there are officers out there that use these weapons to their unfair advantage.

I still believe it is wrong for all officers to carry weapons. Special sections, yes, but not all officers.
Why is it ok for a police officer to gas somebody in self defence but not ok for a member of the public to do the same?

These two tone laws really get my goat, much like this 'assulting a police officer' rubbish. Why are they so bloody special?
I get assulted, sweet fa happens. Barely look at a copper wrong and you'll be in the cells.

Stinks of corruption to me. Mad

I sure you won't take any of that personal John. Just my views and I've never had anyone yet give me good reason to change them.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've heard that some people are naturally immune / unaffected by the stuff. Is that true?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah some people are, there was a story on the local news a few weeks back about some guy who was on a rampage smashing windows and jumping on cars (high on something, and pumped with adrenilen), police tried capsicum spray, didn't do a thing. tried it again, not a thing, tried the other officers spray, not a thing.

apparently it was because he was so agitated and wired, it didn't affect him at all.

took 5 police to pysically bring him down
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
MattyB wrote:
yeah some people are, there was a story on the local news a few weeks back about some guy who was on a rampage smashing windows and jumping on cars (high on something, and pumped with adrenilen), police tried capsicum spray, didn't do a thing. tried it again, not a thing, tried the other officers spray, not a thing.

apparently it was because he was so agitated and wired, it didn't affect him at all.

took 5 police to pysically bring him down


Thats not from becomming immune though, thats just what happens if you take enough drugs!
I bet his eyes were sore the next day!
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
most likely.

but theres a tip, if you want to do bad things and not get affected by cap spray, take lots of drugs!
LSD might do the trick
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Give the cops guns for fuck sake then the pussies who " Dont need them " the tazer guns Thumbs Up

Im leaving it at that, thats my point of view. Criminals are becomeing hard bastards and if the Paki v UK riots happen (Still waiting as every one is getting pissed off) the cops will be of use.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thats utter bullshit

We are there to uphold the law and if someone is unstable and wants to attack us then are we supposed to run for cover untill a specialist unit arrives?????

FFS man, wake up.

No cop i'm aware of will just use a weapon for the hell of it, people are only challenged by such methods when they are out of control AND having committed an offence.
Many criminals will try to avoid arrest and if necessary 'I' will use such force as to detain the person.

I have stood my ground many many times resulting in a fist fight simply to detain an offender, in 1 situation i was forced to deploy the spray (its not gas) to subdue my prisoner.

I have been sprayed numerous times during training, in pub fights, football public order situations.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Black Knight wrote:
I still believe it is wrong for all officers to carry weapons. Special sections, yes, but not all officers.



Why is that? Beat officers are just as likely if not more so to come accross violent people then 'Special sections', whatever they are.

I have seen loads of little cops around and as there is no height limit anymore. I think now there is probably more of a need for them to have weapons or 'tools' to do their job effectively.

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No cop i'm aware of will just use a weapon for the hell of it,


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EllioTT_GiXXeRPosted: 21:05 - 02 Feb 2006 Post subject:
Saying that i hope i should be joining the police, i look forward to using CS Spray on people



Sounds like the new bunch of coppers wont be thinking the same as you.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Wasn't the same stuff I got then. Had me decked within a couple of seconds and fit for nothing. Wasn't even able to finish saying my own name when I took the respirator off.


Stinky,

The CS spraythe police use is only 5% strength. The CS gas used in CS chambers is a lot stronger. I have had both and can confirm this. Some of the CS sprays you can get in Europe is up to 60% strength.

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No cop i'm aware of will just use a weapon for the hell of it,


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EllioTT_GiXXeRPosted: 21:05 - 02 Feb 2006 Post subject:
Saying that i hope i should be joining the police, i look forward to using CS Spray on people



Sounds like the new bunch of coppers wont be thinking the same as you.


He's gotta get in first. Might need to grow up first.

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Johnny 'XX' wrote:
if someone is unstable and wants to attack us then are we supposed to run for cover untill a specialist unit arrives?????


Why not? That's what we civilians have to do, isn't it? I'm sure we'd like the option of being able to defend ourselves too.
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"He's gotta get in first. Might need to grow up first."

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Agreed but it does start to show how some of the brains think the uniform and weapons has appeal.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
R6jonny wrote:
COLINWALL wrote:
I dont think new coppers get sprayed anymore in training due to health and safety or something.




Oh yes we bloody do .... Shocked n it fuckin hurts

jon:(


It might be different with different forces then, as my mate joined in the west mids and wasnt sprayed but the previous lot of recruits had been. Hes been doing the job a few years now.
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bazza wrote:
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
if someone is unstable and wants to attack us then are we supposed to run for cover untill a specialist unit arrives?????


Why not? That's what we civilians have to do, isn't it? I'm sure we'd like the option of being able to defend ourselves too.


Totally agree with that.
Spot on Bazza. Thumbs Up

A lot of police think they are a law onto themselves these days, not all, but a considerable ammount.

I'll give you an example.

I was sat in traffic a couple of nights ago. I heard sirens wailing and a police van approach.
The van skirted round the traffic, as I expected it would and slowed down.
I found this a little stange as there didn't seem to be anything happening in the area.
There was a couple and another gent standing in the square a few feet away. This is what the copper was attending to. I'm sure you'll raise the point I don't know what went on beforehand however I could clearly see the situation was fairly calm and nobody was in imminet danger.

The police van drove into the chap in the square. Confused

He had slowed down to maybe little more than walking pace, and not enough to knock the guy to the floor, but certainly make it known that the police were there and could do whatver the fuck he liked.

This was clearly an act of intimidation against the suspect and I was sickened to witness it. The guy might have been a rapist for all I know but the fact remained he was not a danger at that time. The police officer acted irresponsibly in my opinion and should not be wearing that uniform.

Now, should this same police officer be trusted to carry potentially lethal weapons?
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
McGee wrote:
Give the cops guns for fuck sake then the pussies who " Dont need them " the tazer guns Thumbs Up


A gun is only any use if the holder is prepared to use deadly force for any situation where someone does not do as they are told. Stuff all use giving it to stop someone littering unless you are prepared to shoot them for that. Having to protect the firearm makes it difficult to physically restrain someone, and if they know you are not going to shoot then they are as likely to run away.

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
You dont pull your gun on some one for littering Rolling Eyes

You only ever go for your gun if your life is danger if the americans/germans and most other countries can do it why cant England Confused
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
BLACKNIGHT

Thats utter bullshit

We are there to uphold the law and if someone is unstable and wants to attack us then are we supposed to run for cover untill a specialist unit arrives?????



Another point Wink

Should we now arm traffic wardens? Doormen? Air hostesses?
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McGee wrote:
You dont pull your gun on some one for littering Rolling Eyes


Point being that armed police in the UK generally should not be physically restraining someone. Take away being able to physically restrain them and they are left relying on a threat which plenty of people will know is empty. "Stop or I will wave my gun at you" hardly has a good ring to it.

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Look at the end of the day thats your oppinion I really think it would work, If they needed it, its there not 45 mins away and locked in a van which has to be cleared by some one high up Wink



stupid anti gun nubs (thats a joke so stfu)
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