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 Posted: 09:57 - 14 Feb 2006 Post subject: Smoking Ban Vote - do MPs really represent you? |
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As another thought after this thread I was wondering if MPs really do represent the views of their constituents. I realise this doesn't just apply to the smoking ban vote.
You see in a whipped vote the MP must follow the party line. So if the people they represents disagree with the party line then tough, their views are ignored.
In a free vote the MP can vote according to his/her conscience. Now to me that means that if this disagrees with the people they represent then, again, it's tough, their views ignored.
Now in a free vote (like the smoking ban) I suppose an MP could find out what local opinion is and go along with it. However, do they really bother or is it like any clique just about winning brownie points with their peers and voting accordingly?
Any thoughts? ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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When do they ever actually represent anything other than their own interests? Show me a politician doing his job for a reason other than personal gain and I'll show you a liar. ____________________ Photos and that |
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To live in a true democracy we would have a referendum on every law that was debated. As we don't, I would consider us to live in an elected dictatorship. Just my  ____________________ "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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Hi,
...and it could be that a lot of people dont tell their MP what they think.
Of course it does not mean they will vote the way you want. The whip system is a great advert for an independent MP.
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And yet polls consistently show that a large majority are in favour of a total ban, and have been for some time.
We live in a representative democracy. The original greek method of making a 'true' democracy work was to limit the vote to a handful of the population - basically the political classes that would control it anyway! I think I prefer our system.
Colinwall wrote: | we get to choose between 3 colours on voting day, and in most areas, our vote doesnt matter as that area is usually one particular colour due to who lives there
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There are far more choices than 3 on every ballot I've ever seen, and besides, if you don't like the choices, you get stuck in and change it yourself - that's democracy.
To say your vote doesn't matter because most people who live in an area vote a certain way is a bit misleading. You vote has been counted, most people disagree with you, so the majority rules. If you felt stronglyenough about a party or politician, you'd be out there campaigning to increase their support. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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COLINWALL wrote: | I live in a labour area, it has always been labour, and always will be. It doesnt matter whether I vote or not, or who I vote for as Labour will always win. So I dont bother voting.
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Then you are an idiot, and have no right to complain about anything political, because you have squandered your chance to influence it. Elections are won and lost on the basis of people making decisions like that.
Personally, considering how much suffering people went through to get universal suffering, I believe it to be rather disrespectful and lazy to not vote. Spoil your ballot by all means, but the act of voting deserves a bit of respect, even if you don't believe the candidates do.
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If i did feel like campaigning for a party, I'd do it in a marginal seat not a safe one.
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If the Lib Dems thought like you, they wouldn't have overturned an unbeatable majority and won a seat back from Labour this week. Their votes and effort counted, despite being in a hugely safe Labour seat.
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On things related to voting...
In ancient greece it was just the rich who voted.
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I believe my last post highlighted the issues in Greece. I have a degree in ancient history, centred mostly on the city-states, so I have a passing familiarity with the concepts involved.
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In America I tend to think politicians just rely on big business to donate cash to buy votes with advertising campaigns. I tend to think Bush does what ever the Oil Companies want.
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I tend to think that you form your opinions without much basis in fact. The Lobbying situation in the US is far more complicated than that, although I suppose it's easier to just dredge through some vague memories of Bush being nasty and evil eh? Blood for Oil! Yay! That's much easier than actually forming an informed opinion.
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Today I was a bit curious about Dick Cheney (the one in Bush's government who shot someone). It turns out that he is an oil executive (Haliburton the same company killa works for) so the oil companies and government are one and the same in America. Not separate bodies scratching each others backs at all !
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Congratulations! You are officially the last person on the planet to know that Cheney was involved with Halliburton! It's been common (and much debated) knowledge for years! There are small tribes in darkest Africa with no access to the western media or understanding of the written word, who worked that out before you!
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So when Bush invaded Iraq, his administraion were far closer to the oil companies than Id realised.
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Do you even watch the news?!?!
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As England doesn't have it's own political system (unlike the rest of the UK) it isn't really an issue.
However, if you think that the British political system is without lobbyists and partisan interests, you are much mistaken. The Oil Lobby is no different to all of the other special interest groups trying to influence legislation. Think Trade Unions, Pharmaceuticals, Defence contractors, Islamic groups, etc. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 93 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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