Can Anyone Clear This Up.

[RS125_Tecky]

Are 33BHP restrictor certificates a legal requirement? I read they aint, but anyway...

...if you get pulled (on a A2 license) do you, by law, have to show the certificates?

Some say you do other says you dont, im confused can anyone clear this up?
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[0ddball]

Afaik you don't have to show it but they can request your bike is inspected if they suspect something.

I rememebr someone saying something about you can defer the inspection for a few days, enough time to get it home and fit the restrictors.

[RS125_Tecky]

[Dave_ZedDragen]

I dont know for fact as ive never been in the situation of needing a restricted bike, but i have friends who have been in that situation.

From my understanding it is the certificate that is more important (saying it is restricted) than the actual restriction itself and this can be asked for but legally the police can also check and test the bike to check if it is restricted too....although it is very rare for them to get the bike tested...and also rare to even ask for the paperwork proving if it is rectricted.

Only show what you are asked for.

[0ddball]

Nah, i expect they'd get someone who knows what they are doing to give it a good going over.

Like i say, not first hand experience, just something i read on here.

[Dazbo666]

Oh, and sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if your bike should be restricted but the kit isn't fitted, your insurance may also be void!?
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[RS125_Tecky]

[Rookie]

The certificate is not a legal requirement, but most insurance companies want to see one or want to see a dyno readout before they give you a policy. If you crash and they find out the restrictors weren't installed, you'll be hit with a hefty fine, any Fully Comp parts go out the window, but they will still pay out for Third Parties.

Producer-wise, I think the police can ask for proof that the bike is restricted in the form of a producer, so you'd have a week to fit restrictors. But the chances are, they'll only stop you if you're doing silly speeds, plus a lot of police officers don't seem to know the ins and outs of the whole thing.

[RS125_Tecky]

[carlnicholson...]

A while ago, certain Police forces were turning up to larger bike meets with mobile dyno gear and doing enforced on the spot readouts on bikes ridden by restricted licence holders. It was even mentioned in MCN.

Not exactly a widespread idea, but for the sake of a couple of years, I wouldn't be inclined to take the risk.

However, what you do is up to you!
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[0ddball]

It slightly pisses me off that i did the right thing and waited untill i was old enough to do it legally and now there are all these younger riders are pretty much being allowed to do it illegaly.

Then again i suppose as long as they can handle the bike ok and i still get paid out if they crash into me i don't suppose it matters.

[carlnicholson...]

I utterly agree with you. Saying that though, what would you be like now with a restriction placed upon you? I would consider trying to get round it.

I don't know anyone who has stayed to the two year rule. One friend crashed his unrestricted GPX600, the copper checked his licence and didn't even bother to look at the back to see if there was a bike catagory at all, never mind whether it was restricted or not.

It is a good idea to have the restriction in place for young riders, but whats the point if nobody (ie the Police) enforces it, or seemingly understands it!
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[Chriss]

[chris___]

Im on restricted lisence for another 13 months. Ive had my ZZR since June and its still 33BHP And to be honest, its probably going to stay that way untill my restriction is up. Yes, I get paranoid about crashing and the insurance company wanting to check the bike out. Still doesn't stop me getting pissed off that Ive riden pretty much every single day since I got the bike, but someone whos never riden can pass a test and ride a full power ZX10 with no experience.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

A restriction certificate has no legal meaning at all. The law just says that it must be 33hp (well, in kW) at the crank. Nothing about proving it.

As mentioned, some insurance companies insist on proof.

All the best

Keith
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[carlnicholson...]

Chris, if your bike is 33BHP, then what are you paranoid about, 33BHP is the restriction, thats fine.
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[zaknafien]

I did my 2 years without a restrictor in place, I've never been pulled so I can't comment on what the police would say.

But I am an example of one who's ridden a bike way out of the restriction bhp and been fine.

Not that i'm advocating doing it in any way at all, just giving my experience of doing it.
(phew, got myself out of that one!)
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[brooky]

Im riding on a A2 license and wasnt asked for proof when insuring the bike and both times ive been pulled the police never asked whether it was restricted.
One time I had to go into the station to provide documents and the officer behind the counter said he didnt understand any of the licensing laws and categories of power which riders must stick to as there werent any official guidelines to follow.

It seems that the police dont seem to be enforcing it to bad, which is good , But does anyone know the penalties a rider could face?

Brooky
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[carlnicholson...]

It's the usual,

Driving outside licence conditions, Driving without insurance, and if they really don't like you, a lack of insurance can also render your tax invalid, so Driving untaxed aswell.

From the look of of it, no one really has a clue though. If you were to get caught and done, then I would say don't bother buying a lottery ticket, 'cos you're one unlucky Mo Fo!

Like anything, it's your risk and your choice.
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[chris___]

[carlnicholson...]

I'm with you, you were just testing me weren't you !!!
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