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Smoking Ban Vote
Outright ban
44%
 44%  [ 40 ]
Ban but exempt pubs not serving food and private member clubs
24%
 24%  [ 22 ]
Ban all except private member clubs
13%
 13%  [ 12 ]
None of the above - I can't be bothered
16%
 16%  [ 15 ]
Total Votes : 89

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m99dws
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:

I really hope some new laws are stupid ideas come about soon that afect bikers and then i can sit back and laugh as you all moan that your £4000 bike is no longer leagle in this country.


Why are you even on this site if that's your opinion?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:
Why are you even on this site if that's your opinion?


I think you missed the point there dude.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Flip , at least you took out time to read allthe posts and understand my point.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire wrote:

They did not fight for our freedom to kill each other.

I'd be willing to bet that they would be pretty pissed off if they found out this was what they were fighting for; seeing that a significant proportion of them smoked.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read it, understood it and responded. You have every right to smoke, just no rights to force it on others.

Hence the ban.

Simple as.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thinking about Keith & Sadies argument, is this a lot of different from the hunting debate that happened last year?

Look what happened there! Time to make sure you've got your BMF/MAG subscriptions in.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:
I read it, understood it and responded. You have every right to smoke, just no rights to force it on others.

Hence the ban.

Simple as.


So why should Non-smokers have the right to force it on smokers?

Just a thought
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 15 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

People were not forced into clubs/pubs, they choose to go their of their own free will, or such was my understanding.
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire wrote:
Passive smoking is iffy there is a high risk, besides health risk or not its still anti social.


Far from a high risk. Such a nominal and unknown risk that there is no accurate idea.

spitfire wrote:
As for having a smoking rooms thats a no no, as you have to consider the person working in that room. If they are subjected to smoke and their co workers not then you have a human rights issue on your hands.


Right, so we can tell people to get stuffed, they are not allowed to smoke and that is fine from a human rights point of view, but setting aside somewhere for them to smoke in is dodgy from a human rights point of view.

spitfire wrote:
I'm sure people moaned about civil liberties when they introduced drink driving limits...but over time society realises that its for the greater good.


No, people are brainwashed into things. There is nothing universally magic about the drink drive limits. They are a very badly flawed way of knowing how impaired someones driving is. It is just a cheap and nasty way of doing things.

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PostPosted: 01:02 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should ban the sale of them ,problem solved Thumbs Up

Smokers are weak willed selfish people and should all be shot Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:
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They did not fight for our freedom to kill each other.


No we fought so you can sit their and call me a child while referring to your wife/partner as Mrs. Spitfire.
You do seem to have a very one sided view of things from your posts, all i see is "i dont want" "you cant " "i" "me" .

Have you looked at this topic from any other point than you want life to suit you and any body else can go and get f*cked?

This topic isnt about ME its about 2 million people in the uk who have just had a slice of their life infringed on by others who belive they are doing the right thing without me/us getting asked what i want, maybe its not to far away that they will remove some of your good life without asking.



I hardly thing referring to my other half as Mrs spitfire is childish, Im not going to give her real name away, am I.

You are just nit picking because I have rattled you, you don't have any real arguments as to why smoking should not be banned, it's a killer and a anti social habit....end of. You are just getting abusive, no one is telling you not to smoke we just want some consideration for others and not smoke in front of those who don't like it.

There are more adults now that do not smoke then do and we have the right to not be subjected to smoking when we go out because it is unpleasant. Maybe there should be smoking pubs but thats unfair on the staff who work there if they don't smoke.

At the end of the day not smoking when you go out will not do you any harm so why all the fuss.

I can't wait to be able to go to the pub and not walk out with sore eyes and stinking clothes.


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PostPosted: 11:12 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrJustice wrote:

Smokers are weak willed selfish people and should all be shot Laughing Laughing

Bit like motorcycle riders. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

worst thing about smokers is when its really cold outside and your in a car.
then the driver has to open the window every 10 mins for a fag.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire wrote:
You are just nit picking because I have rattled you, you don't have any real arguments as to why smoking should not be banned, it's a killer and an anti social habit....end of.


Yes it is a killer, but claiming it is an antisocial habit is just opinion.

spitfire wrote:
You are just getting abusive, no one is telling you not to smoke we just want some consideration for others and not smoke in front of those why don't like it.


I think he just wants you to show something like the same level of consideration towards him as you are demanding from him.

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PostPosted: 12:25 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to argue with anyone with this post.
Jsut saying what I hope to see from the ban:-


Some places will ignore the ruling and allow smoking in them. Effectivly flouting the law. This I do not have a problem with.

I think that only a small amount of pubs will ignore the law.
Most pubs will comply.



This will lead to the situation where I can go out for a drink and not have to actively look for a no smoking pub, most will be smoke free anyway.

All that will change is that the onus will be on the smoker to find somewhere where they can puff away, instead of on the non-smoker, as it is at the moment.


May not turn out that way.
But thats what I want.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire wrote:

You are just nit picking because I have rattled you, you don't have any real arguments as to why smoking should not be banned, it's a killer and a anti social habit....end of.

Could say the same about bikes; a killer and an antisocial habit... end of.

Lets ban all bikes!

I would actually say smoking is a social habit for the smokers themselves. Not the exact same situation, but a lot of friendships are made when people go for a smoke. Know some people that have got together and eventually got married I believe, after meeting each other while having a smoke.
By it's nature smoking is a sociable habit for those involved. I often find I'm a bit 'left out' of what's going on at work etc because I don't smoke.

These rules will further encourage this, leaving non smokers further 'out' of such social situations.


innominate:
Sadly, I bet pubs that do allow smokers will find one reformed-smoker willing to dob them in.


Maybe it could make sense for pubs to have an extra licence that allows them to have a smoking section.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes it is a killer, but claiming it is an antisocial habit is just opinion.


Sorry I disagree, what is so social about smelling of smoke. How would you like it if I came to the pub and bombarded you with diesel fumes from my car, just because its my "civil liberty" or mabe stood next to your table breaking wind. You would find it unpleasant (or at least I hope you would) smoking is no different.


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I think he just wants you to show something like the same level of consideration towards him as you are demanding from him.


I am a very considerate person but he got my back up with all this civil liberties stuff. As I said before we live in a very free society...another world indeed from how many people have to live on this planet. He annoyed me, with his throwing his toys out the pram attitude like he is so hard done by.

Banning smoking in public places does not do any harm, subjecting people to smoke does. I really don't see how you can argue against that unless you are a weak and feeble addict.

I'm sorry if you don't like my tone but arguing for the right to give yourself a slow death and inflict others seems futile.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If smoking was banned before any of us were born I wander how many of you would smoke now.

What has smoking done for us?

Has it actually done anything positive?

I would like to know what the positive effects of smoking are.

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoking, being a social thing, creates social groups I guess.

Smoking looks cool (or did), especially in films, such names as James Dean spring to mind.
A lot of people admired him. That means it affected all of us in some way.

If it wasn’t smoking it would have been something else, if it was Ganja….. Thinking
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire wrote:

Sorry I disagree, what is so social about smelling of smoke. How would you like it if I came to the pub and bombarded you with diesel fumes from my car, just because its my "civil liberty" or mabe stood next to your table breaking wind. You would find it unpleasant (or at least I hope you would) smoking is no different.

If people regularly came to a pub and revved their diesel engines, something the pub conisdered acceptable, I would choose a different pub if I didn't like it.
Those actions may well be sociable for fans of diesel engines (as fans of petrol bikes engines often seem to find it.)


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What has smoking done for us?

Has it actually done anything positive?

I would like to know what the positive effects of smoking are.

Right back at ya' about motorbikes and many other hobbies people have.


I think there may be some positive effects to this, but I don't think a ban in this manner is the right way to go about it.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather look cool with healthy lungs and heart then with a fag in my mouth.

Surely you can have social groups without smoking.

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PostPosted: 13:32 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WR450_geezer wrote:
I'd rather look cool with healthy lungs and heart then with a fag in my mouth.

Surely you can have social groups without smoking.


Well you're going to have to learn quickly then, because seriously, some people out there do crazy things. Wink Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Right back at ya' about motorbikes and many other hobbies people have.


I think there may be some positive effects to this, but I don't think a ban in this manner is the right way to go about it.


Motorbikes?

Man creating something amazing and pushing themselves further then ever imagined.

Hobbies?

Keeps you fit, healthy, social active. Gives you a skill. Adrenaline rush.

Cigaretts?

Kills. Nothing else.

WR
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WR450_geezer wrote:
Cigaretts?

Kills. Nothing else.


Can calm people down. Gives them a nicotine rush.

I have no wish to smoke, but would hope that I will be left alone to do what I want to do. Dump on enough others peoples lives and eventually someone will come and dump on mine.

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 16 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WR450_geezer wrote:
Motorbikes?

Man creating something amazing and pushing themselves further then ever imagined.


Depends how you look at it, some people deem it as suicidal, other people hate the emissions destroying the planet.

WR450_geezer wrote:
Hobbies?

Keeps you fit, healthy, social active. Gives you a skill. Adrenaline rush.


Maybe I’ll take up stamp collecting after all…. Rolling Eyes

WR450_geezer wrote:
Smoking Kills. Nothing else.


Sadly you're forgetting the fact that when fags came into circulation no one really knew this.
People looked cool, smoke and drank the night away whilst making friends etc and they felt in a strange way kinda good. The addiction was not a problem…..

Unfortunately science proved later that it can indeed result in heart/lung disease and promptly told everyone, everyone started to think twice but sadly for us humans the Nicotine and other ingredients in fags turns out to be a class A drug with about as much addictiveness as Heroin. Easier said then done.

For some less fortunate people on this planet who don’t have enough money to fund motorbikes, sailing yachts, rock climing etc, cigarettes can be pleasure to have and one of the only few that remain for them.
Sad but true...and no don’t even start the argument about, no smoking means more money.
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