Advanced Riders?

[andrea]

Just wondered how many of us have taken some kind of advanced training? I havent passed my DAS yet, but plan to start advanced lessons a month or so afterwards.

I actually went last week for the advanced ride, although i was made to be a pillion . It was great fun, very relaxed and more about learning to do the things most do on bikes anyway (such as cornering, overtakes & riding fast) but safely.

So how do we feel about this?!

[CoronaBoner]

If I had the durra to do it I probably would..but then I would prefer to do a track day to hone my skills if anything.
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[0ddball]

From what i've seen it's just all common sense stuff anyway. If it was free i might give it a go but i wouldn't pay £50-£100 a day for it.

[andrea]

Didn't know places charged as much as that!

The centre where i'm doing my DAS charges £40 for 6 hours (although you use your own bike).

TBH I never got round to doing my advanced driving course as I never felt I needed it. As I feel more vulnerable on a bike I will do my advanced...even if I only ever pick up one thing...might just save my life one day. And if nothing else, think it will help my confidence as a new rider.

But hey, just my opinion

[Skub]

I did years ago,and I would say there is something to gain from listening to anyone,but the advanced riders club isn't for me.

I'd advise anyone to get all the training you think you need,then sift through it using common sense.

The roadcraft system of learning and the Hendon shuffle shit is very rigid,but as I say,there are bits that are useful.

I personally got more from Keith code "Twist of the Wrist 2".
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[Rob W]

I've learnt more from following my dad a few times (and trying to keep up) than I think I have in the whole time I've been riding. Experience is everything, and as much as those guys know, I dont think I'd fork out £100 for a few hours, when I can get the same for free.
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[Itchy]

advanced lessons too much $$$$$ , bike safe better cheaper and you still get 10% ins disco ,

that said pain is an excellent teacher and has taught me to ride very well very quickly

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[Rob W]

[Redd]

I'm about to join my local IAM group. I know it's got a bit of a safety nazi vibe to it, but I've only had my DAS 7 months and all advice it evaluated and taken onboard. Hopefully I'll not turn into your stereotype beardy old fellow *runs off to shave beard*

It would also work out a damn sight cheaper than the amounts of money riding schools would charge you for each hour of advanced lessons. IAM costs about £85 for the year plus a couple of quid to your observer for fuel (since they don't get paid for it). Can't really see a downside of doing it.
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[berto46]

[0ddball]

Horses for courses. I ride like a lunatic (yet with good road sense) most of the time anyway so any advanced training of the type in question would be wasted because as much as i tried i'd never adhere to it.

As someone mentioned, for most people a track day would be more advantagous. If we are going to ride fast anyway it would be useful to learn how to corner and brake much harder than we would usually need to on the road.

But for andrea and others who are lacking a bit in confidence it is probably beneficial. And at £40 for 6 hours it's all good.

[stinkwheel]

I don't like the idea. From what I have seen, it can be a very rigid way of riding. "In this situation, you do this." type thing.

People get different things out of riding. For some, doing a run 'by the book', nailing every anticipatory downshift, road position and headlamp flash makes for a good ride.

I prefer a more 'seat of the pants' approach. I still get that feeling of satisfaction when I nail a set of corners spot-on but I prefer it to happen smoothly and without a running commentary in my head.
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[Itchy]

plus the holy shit I don't believe I got away with that factor (ie me and my unplanned didn't brake intime make the bike fly/stand on nose amatuer stunts) or you and the hidden speed camera which made you go sideways.

That kind of feeling is priceless.

for me anyway

[Dark]

Its definitely too expensive. Your bound to meet an advanced rider out there, so when you do, just follow and learn
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[bazza]

Obviously, advanced training isn't for those of you who know everything.


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[panrider]

damn you beat me to it bazza

[craigs23]

Definately thinking about doing some training.

[Bikay]

Everyone can benefit from advanced riding whether you've been riding for just a couple of months or 30 years. The best riders never stop learning and realise all sorts of training can help you in the real world: track days, off roading and advanced training.
The idea of following an advanced rider seems good enough but the thought process behind that ride is more important. You won't get this unless you chat to someone. The thinking thing is the bit that allows you to be flexible as no two scenarios are ever the same. Roadcraft gives the theory behind better motorcycling but the practical aplication will be different.
One of the most common reasons people give for not doing advanced training is the image of the IAM and ROSPA, amongst others. The reality is that you get a real mix: from those owning sports bikes to tourers and most variations in between. Some of the guys are very fast but they're being so in a controlled manner.
Bike Safe is probably the easiest way to sample advanced training and it doesn't cost the earth. If you have had no advanced training it will be the single best thing you can buy for you and your bike. The police who run these events just want to stop people getting killed. It is not nice to have to scrape you off the road, even more so when it is easily avoidable.
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[G]

I have done many trackdays and now racing.
It did slow me down on the road initially because I realised that there was little point trying to seriously go for it on the road when I'd still only be pushing it a 1/3rd the much as I would on track.

Track riding did teach me a bit about bike control, but not a massive amout that's use in a safety manner on the road.

I have got a copy of Motorcycle roadcraft and do try to use some of the things in it on my road riding. I would like to do some Advanced training this year, but I wouldn't go for paid for hourly lessons, but maybe something like the IAM.

[VTR SP1]

Advanced training will not turn you from lunatic into a safety nazi but it will help you see hidden dangers and anticipate problems ahead. It will also teach you how to read the road not ride beyond your capabilities.

All this should make you a faster safer rider.

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