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Blunet600
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Work - getting a job and having one Reply with quote

ok so i am coming up to the end of my school life at 6th form and will be going into work (and maybe going to uni after year if i feel i want to) but i was wondering how many people on here enjoy going to work everyday, and what everyone does, as i am at the stage of looking for a job i wold like to work towards or do or start with, etc. so whats everyone status?
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck finding a job, been looking for a full time job now for a month, as im leaving 6th form this year, out into the real world Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going on to uni isn't the be all and end all.

I did a three year degree, am £12K in debt, and have ended up a self employed joiner and loving it. I don't regret uni, but it certainly isn't the gateway to a better job, certainly not any more.

My only advice is to do what you enjoy. You're only ever good at what you enjoy.

There's more to life than a 3-bed semi in suburbia, neat lawns and pullovers on a sunday.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Communication Networks student on my 3rd year, but I'm on my work placement at the moment. Work for Doncasters steel company in IT, get to go all around the UK and abroad every now and again. I'm back at Uni in September and I'm not looking forward to it: I've enjoyed having a good job that I enjoy and pays reasonably well.

I couldn't have got this job if I hadn't been to Uni. I couldn't have done my DAS and got my bike, insurance & gear if I hadn't got the job. I don't like Uni, but I'm certainly glad I did it because of all the opportunities it's given me (been given an offer for a full-time job whilst on my placement by a contractor).

However, Uni isn't for everyone, so don't go doing a course in something you're "ok" at, because you'll either struggle through it and get a poor grade or end up dropping out of the course and wasting a year or two because it's too hard/boring/not what you want to do.

I am also making money on my student loan by putting it in a higher interest bank account. But I can only do this because I live at home still.

In my experience, if you want a laugh at uni: move out. If you want to actually have some money and not debt at the end of your degree, stay at home.

Like Cillit-bang said, going on to uni isn't the be all and end all.

That's just my Penny CoinPenny Coin's worth, feel free to prove me wrong!
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same situation, I need to get a job and I enjoy fitness training, weight lifting etc and I just never make myself go round to my local gym and see if they have ANY jobs going, I am however looking to do a course after my current course. It's just getting money to tidy me over until then Sad

I could go to work with my dad, but I really don't like building and I know I shouldn't care, money is money and yo have to do jobs you dislike but I just can't make myself Sad

Ashamed in myself tbh, but I am only to blame.

Good luck in job hunting though dude.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay in schooling as long as you can, i left school at 16 and fucking hate working full time, it sucks.
then again you get to be a bit flash.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
Then again you get to be a bit flash.


And end up buying a GSXR750 K2...

It had to be said wave sorry, i'm just jealous Wink
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

God I dont know what I am gonna do when I move back I want to join the police force, but like yoko said 18 month waiting Shocked

I got good gcse's and I am in the middle of a Criminal law course, also doing criminal investagation on the side. But I wont finish this before im back and I dont think my credit hours are transferable Mad
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left school at 16, Its great, I got money to spend when my friends havnt, its wicked..................................................................................................................................................... Then BANG, Im 25, Im on the same pay I was getting at 20 and all my friends at uni have found the job for them, which can futher there career, blah blah.

I dont regret leaving early lough, I plan to own a business, not to do the easy way and work for someone else for the rest of my life, its alright for some mind, not for me.

Problem with working is finding the perfect balance. Do you work to buy what ever you want but not have the time to do what every you want because your working? Or do you work as little as possible to do what you want, but not have the money to do what you want...

I do welding at the moment, I enjoy it, its technical, mainly work in the workshop, and hopfully itll get me out of shit when I smash me bike up Thumbs Up

But I certainly ant looking forward to working tomorrow...


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PostPosted: 20:38 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of un-educated millionaires about Wink

It takes more than being able to pass a few exams to make something out of your life and we need workers in this country not more consultants and white collar workers.

I did sweet F.A. at school, got average grades and didn't go to college. I worked my way up from a spotty trainee payphone engineer, through to a senior tech with Siemens and I now do very nicely thank you very much as the general manager of a small but successful telecomms business. Funnily enough none of the graduates I've interviewed so far have ever got a job. Why, because they have bugger all real world skills or experience.
Uni doesn't mean as much as it used to, every man jack can get a degree in social eco philosphy or something equally useless and then they expect to walk into a 30K+ job with no experience. Unfortunately there aren't that many jobs like that about anymore as the competition increases.

The governments education stratagy may be helping to raise the general level of education but it doesn't help create jobs, and unfortunately no one wants to do the hands on stuff anymore so we end up with a vacuum filled by low paid immegrants while the burden on the state increases year on year.

Enjoy your time at Uni, don't waste it, but also don't expect a job on a silver platter when you come out into the real world Wink

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeH wrote:


Enjoy your time at Uni, don't waste it, but also don't expect a job on a silver platter when you come out into the real world Wink


Well said, My neighbour spent 3 years at uni, He was an intellergent kid, a geek even. 3 years later hes still working in this clothes store, Hes worked his way up mind, a manager or somthing.

But like Mike said, Its street cred you need. At least with uni you can prove to the employer that you ARE capable of learning. But dont exspect to be on 30k a year working 5 hours a day, most people dont get that money till there 30, if that.

You could always be a drug dealer mind...
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

work is good as long as you work towards something ie to be self employed , many people I know who left at 16 worked till 25ish and got enough cash together to hammer together their own businesses ,

drifiting along doing a shit job is an option but you may find yourself in midlife crisis around 30ish




University it good too as long as you get experience to back up whatever you want to study in though it does not prep you for work at all , if you don't get relevant experience you'll end up like me a ton of qualifications but nobody will hire you , unless you have the devils luck and get a traing placement which everybody is gunning for.



its just a question of what do you want to do? , and how will I get there? ,when do I want to be doing this

and of course to have backup plans , I tried hard to get experience in the summer time and failed miserably and am now trapped in the experience trap , earning £5.10/h sitting on a couple of degrees
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:



However, Uni isn't for everyone, so don't go doing a course in something you're "ok" at, because you'll either struggle through it and get a poor grade or end up dropping out of the course and wasting a year or two because it's too hard/boring/not what you want to do.



Kind of the problem ive got at the mo Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 17 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did half a course, it was a total waste of time.. wanted to do something medicine related, might have to go to college @24 Shocked

Wish i'd have started work at 16 tbh, i have mates who did who have houses, i still live at home and struggle to pay for my bike runing half the time Sad
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently working full time in a pet shop, my first day I was left to fend for my self ordering 'stuff' and lots of other stuff I'd never done before,

compared to my normal college week working 8 45 - 5 30 is sooo tiring, maybe that's because I never do enough home study of in fact any of it.

I have my first exams in 3 weeks, I still have 2 items of coursework to start/finish and I need to arrange a job for over the long summer.

I will have earn't £400 this holiday, not bad but I'm risking rushing my coursework.

I think if I did a gap year and worked full time I'd find it hard to get back into studying, the sudden decrease in money I'm earning would be a sting.

Also uni isn't cheap so you need to make sure any course you do settle on is worthwhile as Mr Z has posted,
I'm 19 in a month and have an average weekly income of around £20 and ride around on a battered GPZ... friends who left school at 16 are mechanics etc and earn around £200 a week if not more, ride around on KTM's and new yamahas. I hate them all

but I want to go to uni ust for the whole uni experience, its an experience you can't get anywhere else, plenty of years to flunk out of uni and train as a mechanic and get me a new KTM..

rambling now
will shut up and eat toast and go to work Shocked

which uni you thinking of by the way?
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im working full time in a gap year and loving it. Mainly because im working for a family business. We have 3 people to a 2 story office (2,500square meters) with a cinema room etc and i don't do much work.

I'm sure i would hate a real full time job so thats why i am going to uni for 4 years in september then hopefully train to get my aca qualification. (Not sure how long that will take)

I will then set up my own business and never have to work for anyone ever again, something i hate doing. I wouldn't be able to have someone younger than me when im like 35 be able to tell me what to do. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Drilling Rig Electrician for Drilling company called Smedvig.

I left school at 18 at the end of my 6th year with 7 Standard Grades and 2 Highers. I got accepted to 3 uni's to do a degree in Electrical Engineering. But am I glad I decided to knock back further education and do my apprenticeship. I applied for one at Rolls-Royce as a maintenance engineer and started on £120 a week and after 3 years I was a time served Maintenance Engineer and was on £20K a year.
After gaining a few years experience with them I fancied a change, a big change, so I applied for a job as a Rig electrician in the North Sea. I was succesful and started in November on a 2 on ,2 off, rota on the Tern Alpha Platform in the Northern sector. I'm bloody loving it, knocking back Uni was the best thing I have ever done and now I'm earning a very good wage. The funny thing is that there is almost nobody on the Rigs that was a full time Graduate from the deckman on £35K to the installation Manager on £130K+ a year all have started at the bottom of the pile and worked there way up some people have got degree's now and thats what I intend to do in the future, but I think that everybody should start from the bottom of the pile where you are treaded like shit on a low wage and then work up the ladder, it teaches you RESPECT for the people above you as you know that they have been in your position before.
Grads that start with a company an go straight into a Managers or Supervisors jobs are some of the dumbest people I have ever worked with. They could produce spreadsheets until they were coming out their ears, but had no practical understanding of the real world or the job and men that they were supposedly supervising.
Rant over sorry for the long post
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too bad - reasonably flexible hours, casual wear, small office so get to know the people, sit at a computer screen for 2/3rd of the day, hour's lunchbreak and Boxhill's 2 minutes away, couldn't ask for more really. My job is what I speciallised in at Uni - took a while to get the ideal position, but I'm happy I made the effort - doesn't seem that I'm working sometimes (like now, really...... Confused ) Pay's good and there's a great chance of that rising with my experience. Due to flexible hours (mostly 10-5), I can take on freelance work as well.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

go to uni. Like others have said, a degree doesn't guarantee a good job nowadays, most of my mates graduated last year and to be honest, most are still starting at the bottom of the pile. But uni will probably be the best years of your life, you meet some good mates, it gives you time to decide what you want and at least half a chance of an ok job when you're done. You're gonna spend the next 40 years of your life working, theres no rush Thumbs Up

I've got mates who say they just want to do something enjoyable and they'll be happy, but I have others who say whatever the job its gonna be 9-5 all week and a pain in the arse, so you might as well just take the best paid thing you can and at least have a comfortable life. Its not straightfoward is it Smile I might stay on the fence for a while and see which of them comes out happiest Smile
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is where i shit myself because i dont know what i want to do... Confused i mean there is no way i can afford uni at the moment, (if i decide to go) so i would need a gap year, but i dunno what to work towards as a long term goal. which is why i made this thread so i can get an idea of what every one else does and i could get some ideas.
I know one thing i want to do and that is bike mechanics, but this is only short term as i wanna study bike mechanics and become a mechanic for the mere fact of understanding how my bike works and save a tone of money when something goes wrong with it. anybody doing a mechanic course or job?
i also have thought about an apprenticeship for an electrician or something. I know for sure i want a job that doesnt always resolve around sitting in an office all day, watching time pass by.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WishayKillie wrote:
but I think that everybody should start from the bottom of the pile where you are treaded like shit on a low wage and then work up the ladder, it teaches you RESPECT for the people above you as you know that they have been in your position before.
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theres an old saying , if you kick people while they are coming up intheir careers they will kick you all the harder when yours is coming down.

I thinking university was possibly the biggest mistake I ever made , 3+ years study and I earn less than a shelf stacker at ASDA, that said I'm right at the bottom and hope to make moves upwards sometime soon after my foundations are built up , problem is nobody wants to hire me in the role I graduated in.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSRdude wrote:

i also have thought about an apprenticeship for an electrician or something. I know for sure i want a job that doesnt always resolve around sitting in an office all day, watching time pass by.


Same here :/

I'd explode after a week of office work Sad


You could do mechanical engineering at uni, there are bike specific courses, like motorsport ones... probably a HNC, less work than a degree but just as recognised... (but check arround at what jobs are asking for qualification wise)

Only 2 people i know with a degree with graduate money did an nhs degree, the rest have shit jobs and are struggleing.

As for fixing your bike, get a manual, get good tools, ask many questions here, take your time, get on with it Wink
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSRdude wrote:

i also have thought about an apprenticeship for an electrician or something. I know for sure i want a job that doesnt always resolve around sitting in an office all day, watching time pass by.


go be an apprentice then , practical experience outweighs qualifications by a factor of 10 million to 1.

hence qualifications = not worth the paper they are printed on not anymore anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh kinda suppose. but still good to understand the bikes mechanics.
The bike engineering course at uni requires seriosuly high qualifications that i do not have, for example the one i was looking at in the buckinghamshire or coventry uni booklet, they wanted 250 ucas points i think, an a level pass in physics, and chemistry, plus the 250 ucas points
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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degree but just as recognised...



yeah recognised as worthless
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