Daft Attitude

the grim reaper · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Karma :

Before anyone misinterprets this, I am not having a dig at Andy, post crash, but there does seem to be a general air of bravado surrounding crashes on here.

This 'No death, no glory' type of response is truly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's not big or clever to crash and to go out on a ride with the sole intention of riding like a tit, as has been stated by various people, is not big or clever.

Don't get me wrong, I ride fast but I also ride safe, it's much more difficult to do than riding fast and dangerously. All this 'I accept that crashes are part of bike riding' is, quite frankly, bollocks. On the race track, finding the limits, yes, you will crash, on the road there are few excuses for crashing.

Cheers

Grim
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JeffT · Crazy Courier Joined: 05 May 2004 Karma :

I couldn't agree more.

Stick some of the "fast" road riders from here on an advanced course and they would most likely fail miserably.

Being fairly new to riding I am still "pottering" but i am still amazed by some of the riding i see on the roads.

Just cos you get there fastest doesn't make you the best rider.

NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

It's not about riding safe or showing the most road craft, or being the most sensible. It's about having the most fun. Some people have fun by cruising round the world seeing things, some people have fun by zooming round on highly polished bikes and immaculate leathers then pulling up with sunshades posing to people, and some people like taking risks, scaring themselves, and pushing themselves harder each time.
Crashing is just a risk which that type of riding bears, and some people take the risk, others prefer not to.

But the point about advanced riding courses is misleading - riders who enjoy a scare would more likely rather spend money on a track day than on a certificate. It's usually the pipe and slippers brigade that go in for that sort of thing.

Sureley it's better to go through your riding career thinking "bloody hell, I've come out of some right crashes", rather than "oh I hope I don't crash, I might spill my cup of coffee! Laughing

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Keeno · Nova Slayer Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Karma :

I totally agree with you reaper.

Since joining these forums I have noticed a fair few threads discussing crashes and near misses, and tbh some of the people on here really dont belong on a motorcycle. You dont see nearly as many of these threads on car forums.

You might feel like a hero blasting around a 30mph zone at 60+ but when some twat pulls out in front of you and you end up splattered all over a bonnet the last thing your family will be thinking is that you died doing what you loved, took it to the edge blah blah blah.

I realise that a lot of these accidents are down to other road users and conditions, but if your so vunrable on the road (due to being on a motorcycle with no protection), then it really is up to you to ride in a manner that enables you to get yourself out of shit when it happens.

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Ace reply Andy Thumbs Up

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colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

i agree with reaper

when hotdog suggested that maybe andy c going at 120 round a bend wasnt necessarily a good idea, he got blasted

its like if someone is in hospital we cant say anything to make them feel bad

Sportsbikes can go very fast. I could easily kill myself or get a ban on an rs125, let alone a 600.

I think some people want to push it to the limit to get the most out of their bike, or keep up with others.

To be honest if people want to kill themselves by going too fast its up to them, but if they lose control at those speeds then they could kill other people and that is unforgiveable in my book.

Id agree that its easy to blast around at 60 in a 30 and blame the other guy for pulling out and not seeing you.

although I do sympathise with nsrkids view too Smile

Its a balance, and I think one problem may be that the entertaining stuff on here makes us think its perfectly normal to ride at speeds that could get you a ban.
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carlnicholson... · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Karma :

Recently, I have been riding like a tit. The 'race' with a Jag, and the punch in the arm from another biker suggested that I sould reconsider my riding style.

A couple of years ago, my brothers mate died a quite frankly hideous death on his bike, and personally, I would quite like to avoid the same fate.

So, whilst still making the most of every second I am breathing, and making sure I have a good time, I have decided to draw the line at near suicidal behaviour. Still gonna take risks, but not when it effects other innocent people, and then only when they have been throughly calculated. Wink

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derbisenda16 · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Karma :

grim reaper has a fkcin good point..Now dont slate him for wot he said. By all means ride as dangerously as you like, but dont blame anyone else when you crash, and dont expect people to feel sorry for you or think it was 'cool' that you crashed and survived. Which is more than the impression im getting from some of you.
You think into the future and ride carefully you stay alive and enjoy your riding.

or

you 'live for the moment' and ride like a complete wanker and end up 6 feet under.

Which sounds more sensible? guess thats a bit of a brain strain for some of you.

(Now the imature ones among you role on the abuse! )

dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

Agree with you Grim. Biggest yawn goes to Andy as usual.

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phantomtek · Lil Joe Tek Joined: 20 May 2005 Karma :

Christ some people have some really stupid views on what makes a biker, and how to ride a bike.

It's a persons own decision, they don't have to ride like a twat - oh - I mean 'Defy death and act really cool going fast and stuff' - they can ride within their limits, the speed limits and still enjoy it. You don't have to go out looking to die to be a biker.

And all this death and glory stuff. What's glorious about being dead, or dying? I don't think you would think death was so glorious if you mashed up some innocent kid on the side of the road would you now?

I agree I'd like to go outdoing something I loved, biking, I just don't go looking to do so on every ride, purposely endangering me, my bike and others for a cheap thrill. Thumbs Down

dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

Yeah man it's death and glory for me. Rolling Eyes

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Walker · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

There is nothing glorious about coming through a crash and being told that you might never walk again. I've been there and all this macho bullshit about death and glory meant nothing, there is nothing glorious about having your own arse wiped for you for the rest of your life, thankfully i recovered, but it happens to a lot of people and im sure that you wont find them saying that they accept crashes as a matter of course. You might be seeking 'death and glory', but you can never be sure of killing yourself if you do crash and there are some fairly horrific injuries that can happen in accidents.