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veeeffarr
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 20 Apr 2006    Post subject: 2001 CG125W - Bike dies on full choke? Reply with quote

Now, this hasn't worried me until recently (Because I never use the choke to start my bike) but...

Arrow When I put the choke on half, the revs don't increase (I have no tacho to prove this, but the engine sounds exactly the same with it on, and off) and it doesn't really do anything to help or retard starting the bike.

This, I don't understand at all, surely more fuel should be getting into the engine, so should therefore be revving a tad faster...

Arrow When I put the choke on full, the bike just totally dies. It will not start at all. I've tried this with the bike warmed up, without the bike warmed up, tried flicking it on while the bike is running, and in every instance this totally kills it.

Now this and my first point don't go hand in hand, if the choke lever was broken then there would be no effect at all putting the choke to full, but this would explain why it isn't working on half.

The only thing I can think of, is that my mixture is a tad rich, but this would probaby rear its head in my first case too.

I'm hesitant to adjust my mixture, as I don't think I have the experience to lean up my mixture. Sure, if I was richening it I'd have a go.

Am I on the right track?

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PostPosted: 23:47 - 20 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a normal CG. Leave it alone its fine.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 20 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Sounds like a normal CG. Leave it alone its fine.


But I want to play with something! Sad

Top speed is 60mph INDICATED down a hill lying on the tank :S

Spark plug is covered in white ash too :S
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

White plug = lean mixture, not rich Wink

If it helps, by my NSR speedo and his own speedo, my mate used to hit around 75 downhill on his P reg CG. Then he wrote it off and got a courtsey one on a 55 plate which was lucky to hit 65..

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PostPosted: 00:12 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonnay wrote:
White plug = lean mixture, not rich Wink

If it helps, by my NSR speedo and his own speedo, my mate used to hit around 75 downhill on his P reg CG. Then he wrote it off and got a courtsey one on a 55 plate which was lucky to hit 65..

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Was the first one an old style bike? I think they have slightly bigger carbs.

Tempted to get a carb from a breakers and fit that to mine.

I took the plug out after about an hour of it being stood, would this effect the reading?

Lean is bad isn't it? I might have to adjust the mixture after all.


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PostPosted: 00:13 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:


But I want to play with something! Sad



So why change the habit of a lifetime by taking your hands out of your boxers and abusing your bike?
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Toby R wrote:


But I want to play with something! Sad



So why change the habit of a lifetime by taking your hands out of your boxers and abusing your bike?


It's just not the same when your hands are covered in LM grease
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh it was old style. I'll see if he'll part with the carb if you want, because he's got it in bits ATM.

Yeh lean's bad, on a 2t it can cause siezures and hole pistons. Not sure of the consequences of it on a 4t.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Re: 2001 CG125W - Bike dies on full choke? Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
When I put the choke on half, the revs don't increase

Perfectly normal.

Toby R wrote:
it doesn't really do anything to help or retard starting the bike.

Yes it does.

Toby R wrote:
surely more fuel should be getting into the engine,

It is.

Toby R wrote:
so should therefore be revving a tad faster...

Not nessercessacelery

Toby R wrote:
When I put the choke on full, the bike just totally dies.

Evidently it doesn't need full choke then...

Toby R wrote:
I've tried this with the bike warmed up, without the bike warmed up, tried flicking it on while the bike is running, and in every instance this totally kills it.

Perfectly normal.

Toby R wrote:
if the choke lever was broken then there would be no effect at all putting the choke to full, but this would explain why it isn't working on half.

You're thinking too much.

Toby R wrote:
I'm hesitant to adjust my mixture, as I don't think I have the experience to lean up my mixture. Sure, if I was richening it I'd have a go.

If you can do one, you can do the other.

Toby R wrote:
Am I on the right track?

No. hth.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok,

Thanks.

The plug actually has white ash on the electrode, so I know it's not rich now.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Re: 2001 CG125W - Bike dies on full choke? Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:

hth.


Not in the slightest, I imagine. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine did the same Toby R.
I forgot, as it's been in pieces for over a month after somebody knicked it. just got it started for the first time, after a long while trying, got it started after i remembered not to put the choke on full.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, my CG is exactly the same. Nothing to worry about.


On a cold day:
I normally kick the bike over with full choke on just to get it running, and keep the revs up a little just to start the warming process.

Then i change to middle and leave it for a couple of minutes to fully warm up.

And finally i switch the choke off and ride away......into the sunset... Laughing Razz
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now i have an ns125, and cleaned the carb out one day, since i have done this, i'm having the same probs as you toby.

Just have'nt bothered sorting it.

So, have you mucked about with the carb lately??

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PostPosted: 23:39 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not touched the carb since I bought it
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 24 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

very strange. I have to start my bike with choke lever up top now, but when i push it down to half way, the revs increase??
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 24 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what it should be like, unless its flooding the engine by continously trying to start it at first!!

then adding more choke your flooding it even more and dies.

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PostPosted: 10:37 - 25 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, excellent Smile
that means bike is up and running, just waiting for the insurance company to send me back my V5 and keys so I can put petrol in the tank. They seem to be taking their time, well over a month now, I may just get a new V5 and ask Honda for replacement keys if they'll do them. just means i'll not have my service book anymore Sad not that anything was in it.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 25 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had my CG for 2 years and mine was like this from day 1. As long as the choke was off the bike was fine, so i just left it off.

If it ain't broke....
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

same when I had my CG, untill some little ###### stole it
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mylow wrote:
same when I had my CG, untill some little ###### stole it


Funny, same thing happened to mine!!
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chose the CG because it's cheap to run and nobody would want to nick it.

Well, I got the first bit right Rolling Eyes
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