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jindivik
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: evening all, new rider questions Reply with quote
Hi all, first post here so bare with me Wink

to start off im 21 and still bike/car less which means i have to rely on others/public transport to ferry me around.

looking into getting a bike, and being able to ride as soon as possible so i can use it to get to and from work, visit the girlfriend....etc...

i'm such a noob, only just sent off for my provisional which should be here in a couple of weeks, then i will put in the the CBT

can't get the time off work to complete the DAS, and i dont think i will want to ride anything more than a 125cc anyway, not for a few years at least until im fully confident of myself

suppose im here for reccomendations and advice as a new rider, i think my budget is going to be around the 3000 mark, i might possibly be able to up it to 3500, but dont want to if possible

there are two bikes im particularly interest in at the moment, the Honda NSR125 and Aprilia RS125, heard varied reviews of both bikes, how much could i expect to pay for one of those new?

i'm not only limited to those bikes though, they are the ones what stand out the most to me now, brother in law told me it would be better to buy the bike new, so you know it hasn't been mistreated, etc and some places offer the first years free insurance, MOT, tax...etc so im hoping to buy a new bike, not second hand

wanting something that is reliable, runs good but also looks good, if im going to be riding the bike for a couple of years i don't want it to look like a 2 wheeled shed Very Happy
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CoronaBoner
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi and welcome.

First of, I would recommend the Aprilia RS125 due to the fact it performs better and also looks better than the Honda. I had my 2002 one for 3 years and loved it.

I would not advise buying a new one although you seem to have the money to do so (think they go for £3500-3600) as there are plenty of very low mileage ones for good prices you could get instead, which have already been run in etc. I made the mistake of buying new to only drop mine on a roundabout! (not saying you will, but you won't be kicking yourself as much as I did.)

Put the money you save towards some good kit, helmet/jacket etc, as they are not cheap.

Insurance you should be alright on due to your age. Just make sure you get a good list of recommended places and get some quotes, as they do differ ALOT.
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Lawnie
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
CoronaBoner wrote:


I would not advise buying a new one although you seem to have the money to do so (think they go for £3500-3600) as there are plenty of very low mileage ones for good prices you could get instead, which have already been run in etc. I made the mistake of buying new to only drop mine on a roundabout! (not saying you will, but you won't be kicking yourself as much as I did.)


As he said. Don't get a new bike, you will be kicking yourself if anything happens to it. I started out on a DT125: superb bike for learning on: nice tall saddle to see the traffic ahead, and great turning circle. Pretty light too. Thumbs Up Plus the fact that plastic fenders are a lot cheaper to replace that metal ones.

That was 3 years old when I bought it, dropped/crashed/scratched it a few times through inexperience.
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jindivik
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
ahh, thanks, thats a reason why i didn't want to buy new, i would probably end up dropping it eventually, and yes, i would kick myself

Will have to have a good look around the local dealerships in my area, having trouble finding websites for these so if anyone could provide links for any dealerships in the north west area they would be greatly appreciated Smile
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Lawnie
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Biketrader is always a good start. With use of enough filters, it can be quite a powerful tool.

I'm not sure how far you are willing to travel, but if you click this, you'll see the results you can get.

HTH Smile
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chalky143
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 24 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
right personaly 125cc are way ova priced for what they are. Dont buy a new one and try not to deal at a dealership eventhough they give you warrntys and shit, you will pay way over what you have to! buy private and try and chip off, 1yr old bikes are your best bet, thts when they have lost the most money Wink

hope this helps!
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NC30UK
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 24 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Buy an old 125 in good condition with low milage. just as quick as the latest stuff, but a hell of alot cheaper!

Get that test passed ASAP then you don't have to worry about learning to ride whilst trying to save up.

make sure any kit you buy is good stuff, and you won't need new kit when you upgrade to a quicker bike.
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jok
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 24 Apr 2006    Post subject: Re: evening all, new rider questions Reply with quote
jindivik wrote:
can't get the time off work to complete the DAS, and i dont think i will want to ride anything more than a 125cc anyway, not for a few years at least until im fully confident of myself.

I'm 23 and was in much the same situation (no car, no bike... just public transport) as you towards the end of last year; funnily enough, my ideas were very similar as well (get 125 to begin with and learn for a while, don't want anything to big, get a new bike, or at least from a dealer etc.). Just a few things I learned since then:

My brother in law and my sister (both bikers) talked me into DAS training and, despite the hassle, it is well worth it. I did my training on Saturdays and the odd week day in 1-hour chunks (just need to pass the bleddy test now Wink). It's not the fastest way to get there by a long shot, but it does get you there eventually. You'll only have to fit in the odd hour here or there with no need to taking time off work for it.

Even if you want to stick with 125s, there's a lot to learn about being on the road beyond making the bike move. A few lessons by an instructor will help you avoid picking up bad habits in the beginning which will be tricky to get rid of later on.

Another thing this'll show you is that bigger CC bikes are not necessarily more difficult to ride, nor more difficult to get in trouble on. On the contrary: you have more spare power to get you out of trouble if need be and, more than likely, much better brakes as well. You also won't have to abuse it to keep up with people on dual carriage ways (or motorways, if you do do your test).

Last, but not least, people take the piss less when you don't have L-plates on. The vast majority of cars don't have a clue what you're riding; the only difference they see are the plates. On L-Plates, you will have people trying to overtake even if you manage to do the speed limit and pushing past you just because they can (irrespective of riding position). If you don't have them on, they assume (for better or for worse) your a speed-demon nutter and stay back which comes quite handy for some hairy bits (e.g. two lanes joining into one).

What I did in the end is get a CG125 (about as boring as it gets) which I'll sell when I pass and upgrade to something in the 500 to 600 range (or similar).

jindivik wrote:
wanting something that is reliable, runs good but also looks good, if im going to be riding the bike for a couple of years i don't want it to look like a 2 wheeled shed Very Happy

Read through the forum a bit; the race-replica two-strokes (RS125, NSR125, Mito etc.) seem to have a bit of a reputation for being not the most reliable bikes unless taken very good care of, so "looking good" and "reliable" are somewhat at odds for 125s Smile.
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