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lilredmachine
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 06 Mar 2006    Post subject: Crosser type 33bhp legal bikes Reply with quote

I was going to post this in 'New bikers' but it doesn't really fit, I need the advice of the more offroady orientated group of peeps.

I have been trying to research 33 BHP legal offroad bikes for after my test. Bikes like the XR250, DR 350/400 Etc. Essentially I have gotten myself rapped up in all the different models like e and s and r and essentially want to know what to look out for, what would be a good bike for scooting around on on a resticted licence for a couple of years. Any help would be great, it seems to be a veritable jungle of bike out there...
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 06 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Crosser type 33bhp legal bikes Reply with quote

You want to ride it off road?

The DR350 is known to be an excellent all-round tool with a claimed 33hp.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 06 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind having the option to ride off road (a couple of green lanes down here), but would also like the ability to cruise motorways at 70-80. Essentially I want a swiss army knife in the shape of a bike, but 33hp legal.

I had looked at the dr 350 and it seems nice enough, would the gearing be long enough as standard or will it need adjusting?
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 06 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

suzuki drz400 is supposed a very gd learner legal bike plus there almost full power aswell at 40bhp
ive got a husky wr125 i find this bike great has awsome low down torque great for going down country lanes and town.

gd luck with finding the right bike
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 04 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 04 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DR350 is a good little bike and just a ball-hair off 33bhp as standard. I rode one for a couple of days when I was on holiday in the Canaries and had great fun on it. Obviously isn't going to do massive speeds but it cruised along at 80mph without too much stress.

I also got the impression it would handle well off road. Light enough and tractable enough. To me it would make a good first bike if you want the trailie style.

I think they also make a KLR250.

Also consider the KLX650. Surprisingly this only produces slightly over 33bhp so restricting it a bit wouldn't affect it too much. More of a 'full on' enduro style bike for off roading. Torque coming out of its ears.
https://www.minnesotamotorcyclist.com/classifieds/kawasaki/klx650.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 04 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwack D-tracker

https://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/hatoya/img1042772779.jpeg

KLX250

https://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/kawasaki/images/Kawasaki%20KLX250.jpg

KLX300

https://www.koups.com/sales/kawasaki/images/1998%20models/KLX300A3.jpg

I'd go for the DRZ over the the air cooled xr's or dr's.

Also consider the CRM250

https://www.honda-geneve.com/gallery/japan/CRM250.jpg

Despite being a two stoke, it's got a very good engine life.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a DR350 for a few months, very capable machine, with very respectable acceleration and top speed (about 80mph).

However, I should stress that you really strive for the electric start version. There's nothing seriously wrong with the older kick start versions (like I had), except mastering the manual decompression lever could take a while. It's all to do with the correct sequence of using the lever, then lightly compressing the kicker, repeatedly until the piston is at the 'optimal' position for starting.

As they're air cooled, mine had a BIG problem starting when it was hot.

I really miss it though Sad
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
DR350 is a good little bike and just a ball-hair off 33bhp as standard.


It's listed as 30bhp.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The D-tracker looks very nice indeed, haven't seen it before now. If it is 33 bhp, i'll keep a look out for one.

I'm keeping my eyes open, if a nice dr350 comes up i'll jump on it. But i'll keep my eyes open for others you have suggested too.

On a sidenote, Stinkwheel, how heavy is the 650? I have recently been doing more and more greenlaning on my supermoto (road tyres Laughing ) and had thought about these...
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:

On a sidenote, Stinkwheel, how heavy is the 650?


Don't know about weight and I have never ridden one but they are bloody big bikes (sizewise).
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 650 is apparently about 176kg. The 250 is about 117kb. Weights refer to dry mass.
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... Thats getting on the porky side Smile . I reckon I'll stick with the smaller capacity bikes for now.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The D-Tracker is not available (officially) in the UK. I did a quick google search and it looks like it's a 250 and available through a few gray importers (from Japan).

Upgrade the brakes on it and it should be loads of fun!
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah all 650 trailies are just too heavy for anything more than light off road use in the UK. Where they shine are the vast desert environments in the USA or Africa.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob84 wrote:
Yeah all 650 trailies are just too heavy for anything more than light off road use in the UK. Where they shine are the vast desert environments in the USA or Africa.

As time's gone on, they've got a bit heavier.

However stuff like the DR600 aint bad at all - the slightly older kickstart and generally 600cc models tend to be a bit lighter. Think dry weight listed as around 135kg - only about 10kg more than a CRM250.

Did smallish jumps etc fine on the DR.
174kg sounds a bit over the top for the KLX, maybe that's wet weight?
Thought the more road biased KLR was 159kg dry.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

174kg sounds a bit over the top for the KLX, maybe that's wet weight?
Thought the more road biased KLR was 159kg dry.


I thought that too, but I did look at a few websites to confirm. Of course, they could have just copied each other.

When I sold my DR350, the guy said how it's a far better bike than the DR650 (he used to have one), simply done to weight, as mentioned above.

I also don't think that the relatively small gain in top speed and acceleration of 650s over their 250/350/400 siblings makes up for the increase in road tax, fuel consumption, and insurance premiums. Not that this comes from experience, having not ridden a larger trailie than the 350 last year.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ridden the DR350, but have ridden a couple of Goose's with the same engine.

Would go for the 600 over the 350 for road riding - as weight's similar the worst bit's probably the kickstart.

Engine was way more than I needed for off road. Pretty much only used second, going to first or third. Did mean I could be a bit lazy on gear changes as it had a large spread of torque as well.
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