4x4s + bull bars

[Itchy]

https://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=12345

since bull bars are illegal now (EU law 2006), does this mean that the insurance on many 4x4s is invalid such that if they hit you , and it was their fault their insurance won't pay out? (or they will pay out to the victim and try claim it back on the bloke with the bull bars?).

I'm curious tis all , all the 4x4s on this street have bull bars , and bull bars do not compress or crumple in crashes = worse injuries.

any ideas?.
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[Makaveli_Rydah]

Insurance companies do ANYTHING to get out of a claim and i would expect they would insist the driver pay for it .

If they have bullbars then their insurance is automatically void - as it's illegal
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Not sure that any change to the law will apply retrospectively so I doubt there will be any issues (only one I have heard of was one for rear view mirrors on cars).

All the best

Keith
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[colin1]

ive no idea about the insurance question, but i think its great that bull bars are now illegal
i didnt know this, but i did know they are dangerous

at the time handguns were banned, i could often be heard saying that bullbars killed more people in this country than handguns. so im glad bullbars are banned
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[daz|n00by]

[HermanTheShee...]

I thought bull bars were made illegal about 5 years ago?
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[Itchy]

gentlemans agreement didn't stop aftermarket kits I believe
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[colin1]

[extreme3d]

I don't own a 4x4 (used to though) so it's just curiosity on my part, but are they now illegal full stop, even as an aftermarket accessory?

[NSR-Rulez]

They are only illegal from a certain date, any cars before that date can still have them on, i know as we have a 4x4 which has a bull bar.

NSR-Rulez
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[vfr800]

There not bull bars they're killer bars, vehicles are designed to self destruct on pedestian impact, how many bull bars do that, child killers at 10 mph!
Get em gone
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[colin1]

yeah, well said vfr800
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[Richy]

[Marcg868]

Most Truckers have a good sense of road awareness because they have to whereas, most 4x4 drivers are dumb fuck school run mum's who dont know how to use there mirrors. There is no need for 4x4's full stop. If you have a big family get a people carrier, or chuck the little fuckers ont bus like i had to. Jesus christ. And while we're at it ban friggin private hire cabs also, waste of fucking time.
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[daz|n00by]

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[minesweeper]

[Kickstart]

Hi

The claims are 140 saved deaths a year. don't believe that for a moment, as that would be about 1/5 pedestrian deaths.

Sounds like a load of scare mongering.

For some people they do serve a useful purpose. Those who actually do drive off road.

Motorcycles are more dangerous than cars to pedestrians and there is a perfectly good alternative for transport. Fancy banning bikes?

All the best

Keith
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[daz|n00by]

Matty i never assumed you was trying to pick a fight m8
And really my point has got nothing to do with bull bars or 4x4's if you read between the lines.
It just so happens that its this subject that has again shown how freedom of choice is being taken away, the same as smoking , the same as being able to say merry Xmas in public without the fear of offending somebody who could make a big issue out of it, the same as why should i have to wear a hard hat when I'm on top of a scaffold tower? its not like a aeroplane is going to land on my head! but some idiot in a office thought it was a good idea for the highest person on a building sight to wear headgear.

My argument may be flawed on a lot of issues but i still like to rant about what freedom i have left until that's taken away as well.
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[McGee]

I think they make sence on a 4x4 used as for the farm/construction/maintanance viehicle and a pick up, but are a bit daft on a mums APC.
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[colin1]

bull bars only make sense for people who crash into things on a regular basis, and those are exactly the people who shouldnt have them

although i admit this sort of argument could be used about bikers

the only people who ride bikes are people who want to go fast, and those are exactly the sort of people who shouldnt have bikes

however i find the bull bar argument more convincing

its certainly valid for politicians though

the only people who want to run the country are exactly the sort of people you wouldnt want to run the country
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