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Mr Calendar



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PostPosted: 16:28 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Police (bikesafe) training - hidden benefit... Reply with quote

As told to me by a friend who got it from the BMF.

A benefit of doing police training course, like bikesafe, is that it's recorded. So if they do a check on your plate it comes up with a flag.

The benefit of this is that, as you've proved to be nice and sensible and taken a course, you're less likely to be stopped (unless you are too obviously being a prat that it can't be ignored).

Just thought I'd share.
If anyone has any info contradicting this please post.

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PostPosted: 16:58 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another benefit....I added it to my insurance details and they sent me a cheque for about £30! The course practically paid for itself.

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a very interesting fact, its definitely going down on my list of things to do this year then! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you need a legit bike/attire to participate?
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I should think it'd have to be upto mot standard. I've heard they do an inspection, dont know how much truth is in that though!
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a test at the end of it ? Or is it like the CBT, just more.....advanced?
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
Do you need a legit bike/attire to participate?

You need to take along your licence, insurance and bike documents.
So to answer your question, yes you need a legit bike.
As for attire if you don't have the correct clothing they'll refuse to take you on the rideout.

alex_h wrote:
Is there a test at the end of it ? Or is it like the CBT, just more.....advanced?

There is no test but you should get a certificate. In that respect it's like the CBT. Don't confuse a course with an evaluation ride though. I'm told course rideouts take 3-4 hours and there'll be a classroom session before that. The evaluation is 1 to 2 hours ride and is intended as a taster for the course. I don't believe there's a certificate or insurance benefit for the evaluation rideout.

I think some of the bikesafe courses also hook up with the local IAM group where you can have more training and take their test (but you haveto pay to join).

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PostPosted: 17:27 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it it's not 125 friendly? Wink
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screw that shit. Cosying up to the police so they won't harass you for riding a motorcycle.

All people should be treated equally by the police, regardless of whether they've completed police run training courses or not. Of course that's not the way it's going to work in the real world, but that doesn't mean you should play ball with them.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nath wrote:
Screw that...doesn't mean you should play ball with them.

On the other hand getting any form of advanced training has to be a benefit in the real world. Given what independant trainers can charge the bikesafe courses are a bit of a bargain.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do check and require license/insurance but there not too strict on it. I had 3 working indicators, no killswitch, no horn, wrong insurance documents. First place we went was petrol station and got a new bulb. That was it.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean tinted visor, stupidly loud exhausts and an 8x2 plate??
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I,ve been thinking of going on one (Ace cafe might be the only near one) but would go on my stock Z200 just incase they get picky on mods.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're there to be safer and learn from them. There not there to get you. If you're still not sure ring them and I imagine they'll say the same.
+ I had loud exhausts and small plate as well and didn't even mention it.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read on the website the bike needs to be road legal, I assume it also means you (ie no tinted visors.)
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno then. Just lucky I guess.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tinted visor you'll definately get away with if it's bright. Loud cans, I don't know - no-one dared on my course Smile . Slightly undersize plates will be OK but if you've got an obvious (one line) plate you might not be.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember going on something like that with my dad (on the back of his bike) ages ago with the army. Only about 7 bikes turned up. Apparently not many showed because of small plates exhausts etc.

Was a good day, first time i drove a real big bike (his zzr600) and i was only 13 and couldn't hold the weight up myself. Laughing Also went on the back of the police bike but it was a one seater so i was on the plastic seat cover bit.

It actually was a pretty cool day, they were having races through cones, doing alot of slow speed manouvers. Also they did this thing where the bikes speedos would be taped over and they had to try and drive at what they thought was 10 20 and 30 mph while the police man was using a speed gun.

Actually it was a really cool day. Cool
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have to wear hi-vis clothing?
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nath wrote:
Screw that shit. Cosying up to the police so they won't harass you for riding a motorcycle.

All people should be treated equally by the police, regardless of whether they've completed police run training courses or not. Of course that's not the way it's going to work in the real world, but that doesn't mean you should play ball with them.


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PostPosted: 20:42 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll get a boring for that. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
You'll get a boring for that. Laughing


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PostPosted: 21:38 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nath wrote:
Screw that shit. Cosying up to the police so they won't harass you for riding a motorcycle.

All people should be treated equally by the police, regardless of whether they've completed police run training courses or not. Of course that's not the way it's going to work in the real world, but that doesn't mean you should play ball with them.


I think what map is trying to say is that if they check you and you have a flag they'll let you off for some speeds or minor offences. A friend of mine recently got caught 55 ish in a 40. They pulled him over and asked how fast he was going etc. He told them 40? Shifty ...they told him to try again. They got talking and he said he got a little carried away trying out techniques for the police advanced course he is currently doing. They then said "three ways to deal with this...court, points or a b*ll*ck*ng" he asked for the b*ll*ck*ng.

Was that your point map?
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that was his point, and that's precisely what I don't like the sound of. By all means do a bikesafe course because you want to, but don't do it just because you think you've got more chance of being let off if you get stopped for speeding. Because that implies you think it's okay that the police should treat people differently for cosying up to them. Cronyism Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 02 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what Nath means is it's not right for someone to get impunity because he did a course with the police.
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