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Ok, i've not been on BCF for a mere 2 days and come back to find this. AND IT'S FUCKING SICKENING 
TOM DOES NOT DESERVE ANY OF THIS. AS HIS BEST MATE FOR MANY YEARS I CAN TELL YOU ALL NOW THAT HE JUST WOULDN'T DO A RUNNER IN THAT WAY. FOR STARTERS HE'S ONE OF THE MOST OUT GOING AND SOCIABLE PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET. DOING A MISSING PERSONS ACT AND HIDING IS NOT HIS STYLE. SECOND, HE'S NOT EXACTLY BEEN OUT OF THE BIKING WORLD HAS HE........ RIDES ALL YEAR ROUND, POSTS ON THIS AND OTHER FORUMS EVERY DAY, SQUIRES MEET NEARLY EVERY WEDNESDAY AND SUNDAY, A VERY FAST AND TALENTED RIDER, IN EXCESS OF 20K MILES A YEAR.... SO IF YOU SAY HE'S NOT CONTACTED YOU, THEN MAYBE IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND....I'VE CERTAINLY NEVER MET YOU.... JUDGING BY YOUR NUMBER OF POSTS 'EDD' i WOULD SAY THIS IS TRUE.. WOULDN'T YOU?
AND TO THE REST OF YOU, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO'VE MET TOM. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. LOYALTY IS A RARE THING AND YOU'VE JUST MADE IT RARER STILL. |
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| colin1 wrote: | Let me get this straight, dodsi borrowed eds bike, trashed it, promised to pay ed for the damage but doesnt get around to it for 10 months, ed posts about it on a forum, and its ed who is the bad guy !? |
The way I see it, edd didn't give him details of how to give him money, disappeared for a while then comes back and tries to make him look an arse. And it didn't work, it could have been said in a PM, but no, he went and spouted off on a forum. Thing is dodsi doesn't care what people think, he knows what went off and to be honest that's all that matters.
| Quote: | Its great that dodsi has paid up, but Im still surprised that people are thinking Ed was wrong to do this thread. He now has the money, due to this thread, so how is that bad ? |
Because it could have been solved by PM.
| Quote: | There is some crazy ass mind control going on here its like bush and his wmd dossier. |
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| colin1 wrote: | i dont believe that edd disapeared, I think dodsi just didnt get around to giving him the money.
Ok maybe dodsi would have given edd the money if ed had just pmed him but ed was understandably annoyed about waiting 10 months. He wanted to shame dodsi into paying up. However this could have backfired and annoyed dodsi. Fortunately dodsi is above getting too annoyed about the manner in which it was raised, and has paid up anyway. |
Right, put it this way, if he had set the money aside, why would he be sat waiting with it if edd hadn't made an effort to contact him to get it back? He didn't want to shame him into paying, he wanted to try make him look bad and untrustworthy by making him out to be a cunt, of which he is not, he should have just PMed him and you all know it.
Anyway the matter is solved now, though not through the most manly and gentlemanlike of ways I think we should all leave it. I've tried to explain to you what happened though explaining something to you won't work, I thought I'd give it a try. Like Jon did with Monty Hall eh  |
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| sickpup wrote: | | phantomtek wrote: |
You have made him out to be a bad person, when it is you that doesn't ask him for the money, fucks off then comes back a year later and causes a scene in order to make him look bad. Looks like you've failed.
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Sorry I think this is getting a little one sided and a bit out of order towards Edd.
Dodsi crashed his bike. Dodsi didn't pay for the repairs. Simple as.
Dodsi says Edd 'fell off the radar' did he move house? I mean Dodsi knew where he lived considering he picked up and returned the bike there. Did Dodsi have Edd's phone No? Did he have his Email? Did he try and contact him?
Whatever the excuse for not sorting the money immediately he didn't sort it . Then 10 months ago when he did sort it he didn't drive round to Edd's house, bang on the door and say 'Here's the cash, sorry for the delay' or even stick it in an envelope through the letter box with an apology letter.
Why should Edd have to chase the money in whatever fashion he saw fit?
Where the fuck does loyalty come into this. It would appear that Dodsi did a wrong'un, he admits to not giving Edd the money he's had for 10 months. Have the balls to admit you fucked up and ask your friends to stop weighing into someone who had to chase you to get his oweings when you should have been chasing him to pay.
Those are simple facts backed up by both parties accounts. Live with it. |
I never said loyalty came into it. Somebody else did, I don't think it can be taken into account in this matter, somebody came onto a forum shouting his mouth off and calling him gay etc. for something he did, the other stays calm and tries to resolve the matter. And does resolve the matter.
If it was me who just stacked someones bike, and they wanted payment, I would expect them to have the common decency to keep in touch while I source the money, but I wouldn't bust a gut or break down walls to get it to them. If they want it, they stay in contact, not come onto a forum some 10 months later shouting their mouth off and slagging me off and making me out to be a twat infront of my peers. To be honest, that's not the way anyone should act, and that I think is my only gripe with this subject, the way it was handled. PM asking for the money would sufffice, you make it out like 'edd' has been asking him and hounding him for the money for 10 months when he obviously hasn't even bothered.
I doubt anyone can disagree with the fact that a quiet PM would have done the job better than this, and that it would have saved alot of hassle. |
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If it was me who just stacked someones bike, and they wanted payment, I would expect them to have the common decency to keep in touch while I source the money, but I wouldn't bust a gut or break down walls to get it to them. If they want it, they stay in contact, not come onto a forum some 10 months later shouting their mouth off and slagging me off and making me out to be a twat infront of my peers. To be honest, that's not the way anyone should act, and that I think is my only gripe with this subject, the way it was handled. PM asking for the money would sufffice, you make it out like 'edd' has been asking him and hounding him for the money for 10 months when he obviously hasn't even bothered.
I doubt anyone can disagree with the fact that a quiet PM would have done the job better than this, and that it would have saved alot of hassle. |
No I don't disagree a PM would have been better but it would appear this happened (Dodsi doesn't disagree) but the money didn't.
Edd's behaviour is understandable to me but your rationale isn't. If you damage someone elses property, especially if you know them you pay for it, they shouldn't have to chase you. It's called respect, its about dealing with people with honour as you would wish to be treated.
If it had been my bike he would have bought me another one within the week or I would have removed his on a lien and charged him storage on it. But then if I fucked up someone elses bike they would have had one to ride at least within 2 days as I would have gone and bought/hired one for them.
Different worlds, different class of respect. Guess I'm just getting to fucking old for this.
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If it was me who just stacked someones bike, ... I wouldn't bust a gut or break down walls to get it to them. |
theres the difference
because if i didnt have the cash on me to pay for the damage, I would go get it, and i would empty my pockets before i went to get the guy the cash.
If i made the guy wait a month because I was too idle to go round and give him the money, I would feel embarassed at my bad behaviour and would feel i deserved it if he told a few people about it.
Yeah i agree that ed shd have pmed dodsi, but not to save dodsi embarassment, just because he risked annoying dodsi who might have decided not to pay and make some excuse.
Fortunately Dodsi did not act in that way, but some people would have.
Dodsi may have always known that he was going to pay up, but ed didnt know that, so to make him wait not knowing for 10 months was out of order in my book.
I dont think ed slagged him off. He just stated the facts. It was me that said dodsi was a twat, and this may have been a bit harsh as Im sure he doesnt behave like a twat all the time.
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| sickpup wrote: | | phantomtek wrote: |
If it was me who just stacked someones bike, and they wanted payment, I would expect them to have the common decency to keep in touch while I source the money, but I wouldn't bust a gut or break down walls to get it to them. If they want it, they stay in contact, not come onto a forum some 10 months later shouting their mouth off and slagging me off and making me out to be a twat infront of my peers. To be honest, that's not the way anyone should act, and that I think is my only gripe with this subject, the way it was handled. PM asking for the money would sufffice, you make it out like 'edd' has been asking him and hounding him for the money for 10 months when he obviously hasn't even bothered.
I doubt anyone can disagree with the fact that a quiet PM would have done the job better than this, and that it would have saved alot of hassle. |
No I don't disagree a PM would have been better but it would appear this happened (Dodsi doesn't disagree) but the money didn't.
Edd's behaviour is understandable to me but your rational isn't. If you damage someone elses property, especially if you know them you pay for it, they shouldn't have to chase you. It's called respect, its about dealing with people with honour as you would wish to be treated.
If it had been my bike he would have bought me another one within the week or I would have removed his on a lien and charged him storage on it. But then if I fucked up someone elses bike they would have had one to ride at least within 2 days as I would have gone and bought/hired one for them.
Different worlds, different class of respect. Guess I'm just getting to fucking old for this. |
Not at all.
I didn't say chase, I said keep at least some form of contact, which IS common decency. Instead of obviously not doing so, and going about it the whole way. If I damaged someones bike, I would say sorry, source the money and then give it to them, but only if they kept in touch, it's not a liberty and they should make an effort if I am doing so too. I would expect the same to me.
If that makes sense. |
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hang on a minute, i never moved house, dodsi knew i had paypal, he had my e-mail, he had my mobile number, I persistently asked for the money for ages, waited 10 months, didnt get paid. I posted it on here and i got the money in under 24 hours. I dont see why i have done anything wrong
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TOM DOES NOT DESERVE ANY OF THIS. AS HIS BEST MATE FOR MANY YEARS I CAN TELL YOU ALL NOW THAT HE JUST WOULDN'T DO A RUNNER IN THAT WAY.
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I havent actually slated Tom much to be honest, I described the events that have happened and asked peoples opinons. As far as any MORE posts saying i didnt ask for the money, yes I did until I was blue in the face, I hadnt asked him for a while because to be honest I never thought he would pay me after months of asking. have you got that now?
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A VERY FAST AND TALENTED RIDER, IN EXCESS OF 20K MILES A YEAR.... SO IF YOU SAY HE'S NOT CONTACTED YOU, THEN MAYBE IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND....I'VE CERTAINLY NEVER MET YOU.... JUDGING BY YOUR NUMBER OF POSTS 'EDD' i WOULD SAY THIS IS TRUE.. WOULDN'T YOU?
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well no i wouldnt say its true, whether Tom is a talented rider or not, he fell off my 125 on a housing estate, no-one is disputing that. I had contacted him (see above for any more ideas that i hadnt contacted him) on numerous occasions, to which he replied each time that he did not have the money. I fail to see what the fuck 1.) toms mileage, 2.) my number of posts 3.) the fact that you dont happen to have met me have to do with anything. I havent met lots of people but I dont feel that that is of any discredit to them.
At the end of the day there isnt actually a problem anymore, Tom has paid me so posting this thread worked. 
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| phantomtek wrote: | I didn't say chase, I said keep at least some form of contact, which IS common decency. Instead of obviously not doing so, and going about it the whole way. If I damaged someones bike, I would say sorry, source the money and then give it to them, but only if they kept in touch, it's not a liberty and they should make an effort if I am doing so too. I would expect the same to me.
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Sorry wtf? It's not a liberty, common decency? Dodsi took this blokes bike out and crashed it? So now Edd has a crashed bike, and it's a liberty if he gets the money back What bollocks.
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I agree with Colin and Sickpup these two excellent guys talk sense!
Phantom you got owned in the thread!
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AGAIN well done dodsi, for not taking the bait but I can't let this go. You're a better man than me.
hinking the worst of someone is far more entertaining and speculating is more fun than facts.
That's terribly true. 
| sickpup wrote: | Yet Extreme3D says her name is jimmy and Phantomtek says its James so is her really a him or am I just to far gone to understand WTF is going on? |
Well done fella for all of you insulting of a guy you blatantly know JACK ALL ABOUT
ALSO loyalty arose due to the number of people apparently "mates" with dodsi no BCF who have, in mine and other's eyes, been well out of order.
Edd- Tom IS a very good rider. I wouldn't argue with that fact beacuase you'll see that EX3D said he's his best friend and actually they ride together loads and have know each other for ages. You are probably bitter due to the said incident.
I'll try to expin EX3D's points:
1.Toms mileage is SIGNIFICANTLY MORE than the majority of bikers and shows although he's young than many, he has expereince. He rides all year round and knows how to ride and maintain his bike. He's not a joker.
2. The relavtively few posts you've scored suggests that you haven't been very active on here. That doesn'y mean you haven't tried to contact dodsi but it does mean you are trying to score cheap insulting blows to dodsi by making this thread (I agrre whole-heartedly with Phanny abou pm's...you take it as seriouly as real life so use the behaviour and discretion you would face to face too).
I find it VERY hard to believe he didn't reply to you if you tried that hard to contact him. Maybe if you'd gotten it sorter, you may have made a mate and seen that he's a decent guy and rider. And yes it is relevant that he's a good rider since the topic title seems to suggest that whenever you lend a bike to dodsi, he'll crash it. I know some one let him use a really nice blackbird and dodsi hadb't been on a bike that big ever. He was very sensible and n o it wasn't dropped.
3. The fact you have't met EX3D means, I assume, he knows dodsi very well. If I were dodsi's best mate I'd be livid with the amount of prejudice I've seen on th last 5 pages.
No, you're right, just beacuase you've not met doesn't mean anyones a prick, but surely if you've met someone for real you get a better view of them. ESPECIALLY WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED backstabbing/insults (not you specifically)
No names for this bit but many of you have said about deceny in replayment:
If I had had my mp3 player broken by a friend or someone I knew. I would ask them to replace/fix it. I wouldn't expect them to come to me. I must be the sole person to not be a selfcentred person who wants to have it goven to me.... apart from PHANNY as far as I can see.
Now if it's sorted edd, can you edit the topic/or is it possible to close or delete it. It's bloody ridiculus. Too much negativity for me.
Red herring: oh yeah and well done on the racist pictures
Hi (person), I've been hainvg trouble getting a reply from you re the crashed bike. Could you send me the money to my paypal account. here it it. If not, Can we meet in person. Cheers. I didn't want to bring it up on the forum due to decency and there's not reason to make a deal out of it or anyone to get a bad name.
Cheers. If it happens again to anyone, please don't hesitate to use this and save a whole lot of agro. 
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I think we're expecting a bit too much of Dodsi here. He is Northern after all; he's bin down t'pit a fair bit. Plus all that sea air he's getting from his Southern visits is too rich for him; he gets confused easily.
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If I crashed someones bike I would want to put right any wrongs as soon as possible, not just for the bikes owner, but for my own piece of mind too.
If this ment selling my bike or borrowing heavily from family members then this is what I would do.
I would also make the effort (go out of my way) to pay said person the money as soon as I had it.
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As for dodsi....
Well, having met him several times at meets, I can't see that he would deliberately not pay someone.
SURELY HE WOULD HAVE PAID IF HE COULD? 
He has said he had the money "to one side" for edd.
Why would he want to keep it for 10 months????
Maybee he couldn't easily get the money in cash, so wanted to paypal edd, but couldn't as he didn't have his paypall.
Maybee edd said he'll get back to dodsi with the paypall address and then disappeared.
Dodsi may have then thought, "well he'll get back to me with this paypall address as soon as he wants the cash, he's obviously not that bothered?"
Maybee, Maybee, Maybee
At the end of the day, edd's got his money, and only edd & dodsi know the in's and out's of whats gone off.
I think it's sickening that people cast aspersions over someone they have never met, based purely on the contents of this thread.
 Do you BELIEVE everything you read on the internet?
In my experience, Dodsi is a decent honest person, who would go out of his way to help you. I admit that some of the "stories" don't look good for him, but I have no plans to turn my back; instead I will talk to him at the next squires meet and discuss this issue face to face. I suggest that untill you have done the same, you keep an open mind as to exactly what has happened here.
I'll certainly talk to him about this, and as I said earlier:
| I wrote: | I'm sure there is a perfectly logical explanation |
What I find 'funny' is that people complain that this forum is getting more and more full of shit and is not the close community that it used to be. If people continue to jump to conclusions about the genuine members of this forum, they'll soon leave. You'll be left with 10 genuine bikers and hundreds of ped boi's asking how to make there scoot do 50mph and where best to mount neons.
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