call for more 20mph zones

[Itchy]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7046200.stm

precis call for more 20mph zones in towns and cities, to be enforced by SPECs type cameras.

Me thinks they should just stop people stepping out without looking, and that old stat about most accidents being of people being in the road when they shouldn't have been (pedestrians).

Also how are they going to square this with C02 emissions? , cars poolting at 20mph are less efficient, (though the news item says it will force more people out of cars).

(note itchy does not buy the global warming things)
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[Dalemac]

totally agree there itchy, a bit more common sence with the pedestrians and it will sort itself out!

Solve the cause of the problem, not the outcome's of the problem.

Atleast it woukld take these arsehole politians longer to get to work, bit ironic how there going to be fucking themself over dont you think?
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[Kal]

I think they should be mandatory outside schools, hospitals and maybe a few other places as well
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[iooi]

Agree that in certain area's they are a good idea.

But how about putting pedestrians under the same punishment as the rest of us when crossing at a red light..... I'm sick of them stepping across crossings when the light for them is red..... Time for camera's to take pics of them....
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[Kal]

Ped boys amuse me.

I saw one a few months ago stop at the traffic lights in town, hop off of his scooter push it with a running engine across the pedestrian crossing before hoping on and riding away!
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[killa]

I think though, as we can buy fast motors.....we'll just take plates off if they want to fuck about this much.
I know i will....

Roll on the Mad Max days.....
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[Ste]

Wonder how long it'd take to get bored of setting those off on a pushbike.

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[Kal]

Speed limits apply to push bikes as well
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[EuropeanNC30R...]

Speed limits only apply to powered vehicles.

You can still be done for 'pedalling furiously', but that would require the opinion of a police officer, rather than a camera, I suspect.

[G]

In the past I've thought 20 limits were a good thing outside schools and the like.

However, thinking about, I think it'd be a much better idea to teach children not to run out in the road.
Perhaps kids in general would do better in life if the speed limit was in fact raised to 40.
After one kid was killed, they could do a brunstrom-style display for all their mates in the school corridors. May actually save more lives in the long run and teach them about the realities of the real world.

I do think we take too much responsibility away from kids these days, cosseting them as much as possible from the realities of life.

[tomski_w]

I've noticed an increasing issue with pedestrians either just taking chances with their safety by trying to dodge traffic and not using pedestrian crossings, or blatantly walking in front of traffic thinking you;re gonna stop or be able to slow down in time "cos it's my right of way being a pedestrian". Or just stepping out blindly into traffic.

Especially near where I work people would try and beat the traffic (heading towards them at great speed) to get to the central resevervation crossing, when they only need to wait for about a min & half for their "right of way" when the light is green for them. Feckin lemmings. Someone's gonna get splatted very soon.

If the police started handing out fixed penalties to people not using a crossing correctly while there is traffic, attitudes will quickly change and the roads will be safer.

When I was in Japan, I didn't once see someone crossing the road without using a crossing. Even when there was absolutely no traffic in the evening, they would wait for the light to go green before they would cross. Sounds daft, but of course it works.
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[tomski_w]

Reckon they should start put those ads back on TV.

"Road sense, have you got it?"

Remember the picture of the kid that got hit by the car after stepping blindly into the road?

They should do a series of adult ones too.

Picture a couple chatting, then stepping out into the road next to (not on) a pedestrian crossing then BOOOOOM!! One dead, one in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.

Cut scene: "Use the Highway Code, use pedestrian crossings"

Am I just being a tw@t? Or does anyone agree?
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[Kal]

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[G]

You'd have to stick a numberplate on the DVLA system on your pushbike.

[Kal]

The rider/driver that hits my kid I will turn into Brunstrom-style display myself.

I think thats a pretty good arguement, I am_a_little more touchy than most.
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[G]

I'm presuming you're talking future tense and this isn't something that has happened.
If it is, I apologise and will keep my mouth shut, as I often do in regards to parents.

On further thought, I'd say I think that in some cases where kids have run into the road or similar, the parent should be prosecuted.
Say if the kid was under ten; they should be being kept in proper control by the parents if they can't safely use the roads. If they can't use the roads correctly, they should be suprervised at all times where they could be in or cause a danger.
"The roads" are very dangerous places to be and require all users to show appropriate respect to others.

Your argument, while amusing, is like suggesting that a truck driver should get beaten up when a car pulls out infront of them from a side road. Lovely vengance, little to do with justise and leads to right of way being decided by the tougher clan.

[Kal]

I get to spend approximately 30 hours a year with my son and you have no idea what I have indured so far to just to get that.

My Love and Rage knows no bounds except my self control. One way or another my son is my life.

I never once mentioned justice or that it is a question of right and wrong. It just is.
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[iooi]

[rypt]

If we have to go at 20mph (which will eventually become 10mph in 5-10 years time knowing these people) then it will defeat the whole purpose of using a MOTORVEHICLE for transport, as we'll hardly be going faster than walking pace (hell, in parts of London you already move slower than walking pace due to all the traffic - and none of this congestion charges crap helped).

[tomski_w]

Cheers iooi

People need to wake up and realise life isn't the rat-race everyone thinks it is.

If everyone slowed down just that little bit, we'd all be happier as a matter of course and life would be sweeter.

But then at the same time, maybe we should all speed up instead. Increase the speed limit to 40 and make it illegal for anyone to cross without using a crossing, like the Jaywalking law in the US.

We DO have the jaywalking law, but I reckon even the police found it so petty and uninforceable eventually nobody got charged with it. (Except my uncle who got fined £50 for not using an underpass/walkway a few years ago)

Check this

"One has to look at the causes of accidents and you tend to find that, even though motorcycles are named by people like Plowden and Hillman et al as being a great threat to pedestrians, when you actually look at the causation factors in pedestrian and cycle accidents, you often find it’s the cyclists or pedestrian failing to look, give way or obey basic road traffic law.”
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Don't agree with more 20 limits (although plenty of those already in place are not legal).

Outside schools, maybe occasionally. But a 24 hour a day, 365 days a year restriction for something that is an issue 2 hours a day, 200 days a year is ludicrous.

And just think, those kids will now have zero road sense when they get a licence for a 4 wheeled tank.

All the best

Keith
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