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PostPosted: 15:28 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably got a 1/10000 dodgy battery that some dick had dropped on the ground and put back on the shelf

It happens and you can get your money back, doesn't mean their all bad and all BCF recommendations are bullshit Rolling Eyes

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Motobatt are a pre-charged sealed lead type maintenance-free battery afaik
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattJ wrote:
I know nothing about batteries so can't comment at all on that, however, when you stalled, why couldn't you just bump start it?


The battery on my SV failed - I thought it was discharged because you cant turn the headlights off, and I'd been doing a fair bit of testing when I was fitting a tail tidy. I jump started it, took it for a run, but had to stop for fuel. It wouldn't start again, so tried bump starting, to absolutely no avail. I've bump started many a carbureted bike but this was my first FI bike.

I'm not sure if there was sufficient power to run the fuel injection at the turnover rate I was able to get when bumpstarting. Mrs C had to come to my rescue with a set of jump leads.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the battery voltage of the motobatt?

What was the charging voltage of the bike?

Additionally, what is the maximum current draw of the bike with all electrics on?

What is the current draw of the heated grips?

Is this above or below the rating of the battery you bought?

It is quite likely that a standard sized battery on an R1 won't have the capacity for heated grips (I know my R6 didn't) as they're made to be as light as possible, and putting in a larger battery for "extras" isn't part of their aim when developing a bike like the R1.

How old was the motobatt? Why did you change it?

Battery died? Put motobatt in? That died? My first thought would be that there's something wrong with something other than the battery.

The fact it started, rode, and then wouldn't restart when you stalled, says to me that it is not being charged, or something is draining it. Like a fault Reg/Rec

Batteries don't just drain instantly, the fact the battery is flat means it is not being charged. If the battery was faulty, it may lose it's charge within couple of hours, but definately not instantly, and not while riding also.

The bike shop has got a quick sale, like many others, and will probably sell your old battery on ebay
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
bought a multi meter first thing when i finished work on tuesday and have been checking the voltage every morning before i take the bike out and every evening when i get home.

as for sending it back i honestly CBA it cost me £40 which i aint gonna cry about and im not rich just CBA

ive contacted Busters via ebay and they offered to exchange it for another one but i just CBA

if it was a £100 battery then i would be arsed

i emailed them to let them know that the mottobatt battery they gave me has failed so that they are aware that one has actually failed but i also told them that i will be constantly checking my bikes charging rate to be sure that it was the battery and not either my regulator rectifier or my stator, and will let them know after two weeks if there is any further changes.
They were quick to respond and very helpful


Then what the fuck are you complaining about?

Either you've got a naff battery which they are offering to replace FREE.

Or your charging system isn't working and you're blaming a battery for not charging from a system that isn't providing charge.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just put a Motobatt in my Hornet after I thought my battery was duff (Negative terminal was coming out of it's placement.) Turns out that the R/R had gone and wasn't charging the battery, or running the bike. So once the battery died, so did the bike. Replaced it and since then the bike and battery have been fine.

My Daytona heated grips are crap though.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 01 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there any funny cnuts Tooting at you then???

Embarassed

Yausa practically re-invented batteries. Smile
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contrary to popular belief there is nothing actually special abotu MotoBatt batteries, they are simply an AGM battery that has been put together with some care and attention. There are similar batteries available for considerably less that pretty much match the performance of a Motobatt.
The advantage of a Motobatt is actually to the dealer in that due to them having 4 terminals the dealer needs to hold considerably less variety of batteries and hence less stock.

As to Marjays comments...

Marjay I'm not actually here to babysit people I'm here for the camaraderie, if I can help people along the way and I do then good but when someone comes on to spit his dummy out I don't actually feel the need to help.
I am a strong believer in people working things out for themselves and I will provide hints for them to do so instead of telling them outright, hopefully that way in future they may be able to work a problem out themselves as they have been taught to think not just taught to copy.
Woo doesn't want help he wants to scream about how the battery he purchased was crap and blame everyone on here who said they were a good product.

The technical bit...

It is unlikely although possible that the battery was the sole problem here.

woo wrote:
What happened was the battery was not providing enough power to the bike.


and goes on to tell us the battery wasn't supplying a full charge to the bike which is strange because batteries don't charge bikes charging circuits do. Now of course this could be a bad choice of words but then this is said...

woo wrote:
when the recovery guy came he jump started the bike and it started then he checked the charging rate using his jump starter and no charge was being registered (but his jump starter to me looked inadequate at giving an accurate reading)


which pretty much tells us its the charging circuit because even if the battery was dead it would still register a charging voltage. Also if the battery was dead it wouldn't have held a charge so he could ride to Infinity 4.5 miles away .

The only way to test the battery is on a load tester but that of course hasn't been done.

Basically this was a 'I want to bitch' thread and I treated it as such.

I strongly recommend that Woo reads this and realizes that mechanics can be wrong before he ends up sitting at the side of the road again.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Marjay I'm not actually here to babysit people I'm here for the camaraderie, if I can help people along the way and I do then good but when someone comes on to spit his dummy out I don't actually feel the need to help.


There isn't much camaraderie in just rubbing peoples faces in it. If you don't want to help, don't comment, but effectively calling someone stupid is not going to help, or increase cameraderie or anything. It comes across as though you want to come on the forum to feel superior or to patronise people, which has nothing to do with camaraderie. I have no time for idiots too, but I don't think its entirely unreasonable that someone might conclude that the new battery they've fitted is at fault when they have a charging issue.

sickpup wrote:

I am a strong believer in people working things out for themselves and I will provide hints for them to do so instead of telling them outright, hopefully that way in future they may be able to work a problem out themselves as they have been taught to think not just taught to copy.


I agree, but people won't learn how to think unless you give them a nudge in the right direction. Calling someone an idiot or patronising them with a "Why did you think that would work" post is a waste of time, effort and text. The only thing it appears to do is make you feel better about yourself.

Seriously Sickpup you have done this in the last probably ten or twenty Workshop replies I've read from you, with the odd exception and you just come across as a grumpy old bastard. I know you're not really like that so why do it?

Of course I occasionally reply to threads with a facepalm image or something, but in this case I don't think the conclusion that the battery was at fault was entirely unreasonable. I believe it to be wrong, but not unreasonable.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattJ wrote:
I know nothing about batteries so can't comment at all on that, however, when you stalled, why couldn't you just bump start it?



He's retarded.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of MotoBatt but I am a Yuasa man anyway. Are you sure that its not your heated grips being too powerful for your charging system that flattened the battery???
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

as for the tense negative comments here lol!

i had a problem commented about it and all of a sudden people are tense and aggresive calling me names, so many keyboard warriors.

this is a forum where anyone is allowed to vent their frustration or talk about a problem they have be it real life or bike related.

the way some of you have behaved, is as if i have made a personal insult to yourselves and these reactions do really make me laugh

for those of you have commented in a helpful manner thankyou and your advice is duly taken

couldnt care less what sickup or anyone else thinks about me

if im wrong about the battery time will tell and i will be back here stating that the mottbatt battery is fine, it was actually my bikes charging system that was at fault but so far the bikes charging system is fine and is providing the correct volts on my multimeter.

as for those of you who are negative and tense ride safe and dont be tense spring is just round the corner when we can enjoy our bikes in more comfort!
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
i had a problem commented about it and all of a sudden people are tense and aggresive calling me names, so many keyboard warriors.


Let me clarify something for you here. In your first post you state that a generally well respected brand is shit and say "I bought this battery from you lots recommendations!!". Note the two exclamation marks. That sort of emphasis is easily construed as your blaming the posters here for the problems you're having, it's hardly surprising that you'll get a somewhat confrontational response. You follow this up with "your replies especially sickup are just pure lol! ". How is my comment, a couple of posts above that, "pure lol!", it was a very non-confrontational post based upon personal experience and many miles/months of using MotoBatt products in distinctly adverse conditions.

By taking that tone you are again being an arse and fostering an aura of keyboardwarrior-ness in the thread, once again it's hardly surprising that people react negatively.

TL;DR - Stop being an arse.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
as for those of you who are negative and tense ride safe and dont be tense spring is just round the corner when we can enjoy our bikes in more comfort!


Why thank you. I shall remember your kind words as I ride to work this evening in my heated gear happy in the knowledge that my battery and charging system can cope with it all.

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PostPosted: 18:29 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

above lol!

mottobatt works for you great!
enjoy!

/end of thread
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Woo - Did you ever hear anything about your bike that got nicked?
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the police closed the case due to lack of evidence so bikes gone but worse still £4k gone out my pocket
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn really sorry to hear that Sad
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
I'm very impressed with my Motobatt, (bought from Busters). The bikes been left for up to a week outside buried in snow and no sign of any drain when starting.


This. Absolutely this.

Me and a mate have got identical bikes (Big V-twins). Neither have got alarms or anything that causes parasitic drain. His needs an optimate if parked for a couple of weeks.

Mine doesn't, and fires up first press, while I pull a trollface.

I've told him fifty times to get a motobatt.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came across the motobatt in the ducati and ktm forums. A few of them were blaming sprag clutch failure due to the sluggish turnover caused by a weak battery.
I did some further searching and found a comprehensive 'Battery Cookoff'. Involved lots of battery abuse. Cool

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PostPosted: 20:35 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of car batteries died recently in my area due to the cold spell.

It seems I am the only one of the street with a car charger and a battery optimizer.

With the exception of one other Gentleman, I am also the only person who parks their car in the Garage on a night.

I had to help go rescue a neighbour with a flat battery. "Do you ever charge it " "Ehh" FFS. Both his cars battery died.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to chime in on the Motobatt dripping, My Sprint came with a Rob Hunter battery that flat out didn't have a hope in hell of starting the thing the moment it turned cold, on the flipside, the Motobatt I replaced it with happily handles my short commutes regardless of if I want the heated gear on or not. Everytime I've pulled it out of the bike to give it an overnight top up out of habit, it's been fully charged anyway.

I'd say you got an unlucky lemon or the issue is elsewhere on the bike.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 10 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

long live the mottobatt it didnt fail i did lol!

turns out just like Fizzer Thou said the connector block which connects to the RR has burnt out on the red wire!
this i believe is due to corrosion which furbarbed it creating more electrical resistence hence more heat

my humble applogies to the mottobatt. which now on charge and will be put back in the bike once sorted.

after some research on the net gonna try the female spade connection mod so will take the wires out of the connection box and connect them to the RR that way and if all is fine and the RR still works will put some dielectric grease inside and keep an eye on it.

thanks for all your advice even the tense aggressive ones its been helpful

just need to decide on which female spade connector is best?
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_753539_langId_-1_categoryId_255229#tab1

https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_182541_langId_-1_categoryId_255229

advice sought on whether it be tense or aggressive what amp female spade is recommended?

pics of the connector block:

https://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/wooizm/regulator%20burnt/20130210_125439_zps90260b9c.jpg

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PostPosted: 19:32 - 10 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you should go visit the garage that gave you this amazing advice, and proved that it was faulty?

See what they say, you made enough of a fuss when the whole of BCF told you that it was unlikely to be the battery, go make the fuss to the garage that scammed you!
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