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SpicyBlimp
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

"THE LAW
These vehicles are NOT suitable – and NOT legal – for road or pavement use, although many users have taken to riding them on the roads and pavements.

Quads are designed for off-road use and do not conform to regulations in relation to tyres, lights, horn, speedometer etc and it is therefore illegal to use them on the road. [6]

Mini-motos, quads and scooters are only allowed to be used on private land, including parks and forests, and only with the direct permission of the landowner – in some cases this will be the local authority. [7]

To be legally used on a road, a vehicle:
· Must be registered
· Must be taxed
· Must have an MOT
· Must have lights and a numberplate

For a rider to use a vehicle on a road, they must:
· Be over the age of 16
· Wear a suitable crash helmet
· Hold a valid driving licence
· Hold an appropriate certificate of motor insurance

ENFORCEMENT
· Any motorised vehicle ridden illegally or in a careless or anti-social manner may be seized by the police under section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 powers. [9]
· Once it has been seized, the owner must currently pay a fee of £120 to have the vehicle returned. [10]
· The rider or owner of the vehicle, or the parents of young riders may have to appear in court for illegal use of mini-motos and similar vehicles. [11]
· Offenders can be subject to prosecution and a fine of £1,000. [12]
· Police and Community Support Officers can also issue an £80 Penalty Notice for Disorder for behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress. [13]
· Riders using mini-motos and other such vehicles illegally on public roads and footpaths can also be prosecuted under road traffic legislation, fined and receive points on their licenses."

Parents are to blame here then, I feel sorry for the woman driving the Range Rover that hit the child.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
This pisses me off:
Who the fuck does the guy saying that think he is?

'Children shouldn't be put in control', No one can say what a child's adaptive skills on such a toy is accountable for, in this case there was a big mis-fortune but there's 5-6 year olds out there racing Go-karts & Mini-motos.

Fair point, she shouldn't have been there at that time but she managed to use the quad to that location, so she was capable of using it successfully to an extent. Rolling Eyes Karma


It's another example of anyone who seems to be able to have the power to get their voices heard, always seem to dislike anything that is even 'slightly' dangerous.

Like the other thread about banning bikes, for some reason, these people shouting out absolute rubbish are actually able to get their words of 'wisdom' out, and decide what is right and wrong for everyone, even though they have no idea what they are going on about.

I seem to remember someone posting figures stating more people are killed and injured on horses than on bikes?

Yet there was no mention that she was often picked up after school with her horse and how dangerous this is?
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

AngelGrinder wrote:
So they were riding one of these -

https://www.stagmotorsport.co.uk/shopexd1.asp?id=2811

2stroke 50cc.....


But they have no lights, which makes me think it was actually one of these ....

https://www.stagmotorsport.co.uk/shopexd1.asp?id=2810

2stroke 100cc....

Either way....nice cheap Xmas present!


Yeah, said the father was a self made millionnaire, so probably was a cheap xmas present.

2 stroke 100cc engines....so were looking at hat....50 - 70mph maybe? Confused
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Child killed in Quad crash Reply with quote

Geri wrote:

Because in typical self-made Essex wideboy fashion he thought he could bowl-about the coutryside ignoring rules and doing whatever the hell he pleases.
Ok that's very stereotypical but it does seem to fit the scene doesn't it?


I think it fits well. Did you note that they told the driver the girl was ok and took her home. They knew they were in the shit and covering up for themselves could have cost the kid her life.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A post mortem examination is due to be held this week to establish acause of death." Mr and Mrs Cooke also have an 18-month-old baby named Charlotte and self-made millionaire Mr Cooke has several children from a previous marriage.


A case of Big Cock and Small Brain?
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain 007 wrote:
"THE LAW
These vehicles are NOT suitable – and NOT legal – for road or pavement use, although many users have taken to riding them on the roads and pavements.

Quads are designed for off-road use and do not conform to regulations in relation to tyres, lights, horn, speedometer etc and it is therefore illegal to use them on the road. [6]

Mini-motos, quads and scooters are only allowed to be used on private land, including parks and forests, and only with the direct permission of the landowner – in some cases this will be the local authority. [7]

To be legally used on a road, a vehicle:
· Must be registered
· Must be taxed
· Must have an MOT
· Must have lights and a numberplate

For a rider to use a vehicle on a road, they must:
· Be over the age of 16
· Wear a suitable crash helmet
· Hold a valid driving licence
· Hold an appropriate certificate of motor insurance

ENFORCEMENT
· Any motorised vehicle ridden illegally or in a careless or anti-social manner may be seized by the police under section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 powers. [9]
· Once it has been seized, the owner must currently pay a fee of £120 to have the vehicle returned. [10]
· The rider or owner of the vehicle, or the parents of young riders may have to appear in court for illegal use of mini-motos and similar vehicles. [11]
· Offenders can be subject to prosecution and a fine of £1,000. [12]
· Police and Community Support Officers can also issue an £80 Penalty Notice for Disorder for behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress. [13]
· Riders using mini-motos and other such vehicles illegally on public roads and footpaths can also be prosecuted under road traffic legislation, fined and receive points on their licenses."

Parents are to blame here then, I feel sorry for the woman driving the Range Rover that hit the child.


Sure we all know this, the point is the morality of the situation. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can the morality be in anyway debated? The actions in defiance of the law and common sense by the father resulted in the death of a child. I can not think of any way you can argue that he holds the moral high ground.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, I wasn't aiming to insinuate he does.... Nothing about what he let happen was right...

I'm gonna stop diggin now and walk away quietly. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not in the slightest bit bike related but,

If the death of one child on a quad gets you then consider this:

Quote:
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Some 18,000 children die every day because of hunger and malnutrition


and think of the food you've irresponsibly wasted over the last few days.

Course that's not the same though is it?
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
NCourse that's not the same though is it?


No, it's not.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:

and think of the food you've irresponsibly wasted over the last few days.

No. Why would me eating more and getting fatter some how mean that a child gets to eat less?

There's not a shortage of food in this country and if we ate less that same food wouldn't be distributed to other countries that need it more.

If anything, wasting food may in some places keep starving families fed for a bit longer.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the parents have been punnished enough for the mistake they have made.

to lay sole blame the other driver is just wrong, I'd hate to think how that person is feeling at this moment


I think were all lucky at times and unlucky at other times, watching your kit wiz down a hill on a mountain bike and get it wrong to faceplant without a helmet, that was stupidity on my part he had a helmet, I didnt make him wear it and also I told him not to go up the hill but hes my son, he was bound to.

We can also be unlucky,, hence the news storys


pointless trying to point the finger, a child has been killed, let everyone who reads the story learn by whoever has made the mistake and hope it never hapens again
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Ichy wrote:
NCourse that's not the same though is it?


No, it's not.


I agree, it is not the same. The deaths of 18,000 can not be attributed to one bloated pikey from Essex with more money than love for his children.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:

No, it's not.


Course its not, but 1 kid dies and people want to lynch the evil parents, 18000 die and its, ah well nothing I can do about that.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Joe wrote:

No, it's not.


Course its not, but 1 kid dies and people want to lynch the evil parents, 18000 die and its, ah well nothing I can do about that.

Get a poll and get people to setup a standing order to a charity. Thumbs Up
Don't post it in this tread.Thats what I think.

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PostPosted: 00:05 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
I agree, it is not the same. The deaths of 18,000 can not be attributed to one bloated pikey from Essex with more money than love for his children.


How can you say he didn't love them? As a parent of three kids I can honestly admit that I made mistakes. Nothing you can do changes that. My daughter fell under a train as she was getting off. Was that my fault for not holding her hand, maybe, so I obviously didn't love her?. My son fell off a small cliff and broke his arm, maybe I should have tied a rope around him? I didn't so I obviously didn't love him?

Just extremely poor judgement and the family have paid a very high price, I know nothing of him but I would be surprised(*) if he wouldn't give up every penny he had to have his daughter with him today.



*maybe thats just me though.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel sorry for the parents.They might have been stupid but we are not all
blessed with the parent instinct that tells you this is a stupid thing to do.
Every one losses in this case.

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PostPosted: 00:09 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dare say he would do anything to have her with him today, a great shame he did not think in the same way yesterday. Bloody pikey flashing his wealth in total disregard of the law. I feel for the poor bloody woman that the kid rode the quad into, she will live with that forever.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
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Your a harsh bastard Wink Be a pleasure to buy you a pint.
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair he does have a very good point. You don't need to be a "perfect parent" to be pre-cognizant of the danger of letting a 7-yr old take to an unlit A-road on a dark winters night on a powered vehicle they had less than 48-hours experience of owning.

I too feel sorrow for all involved - the family of the child and the driver of the other vehicle, but you have to recognise the fact that the parents are very much to blame. The more people that do, the less chance there is of a similar thing happening again.
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
To be fair he does have a very good point. You don't need to be a "perfect parent" to be pre-cognizant of the danger of letting a 7-yr old take to an unlit A-road on a dark winters night on a powered vehicle they had less than 48-hours experience of owning.


You do need a given amount of intelligence and an imagination though, and precious few people have one of those, never mind both.
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

by far the most worying thing on this thread is the fact you see the child is an object. You feel sorry for the parents... fair enough... I'm sure the parents are doing better than the kid. Parents fault, they killed their child from unacceptable stupidity, I'm glad they are in peices over it, at least they're alive.
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

/awaits wave of knee jerk legislation banning all forms of quad bikes licenced for road use or otherwise.
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PostPosted: 03:06 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Child killed in Quad crash Reply with quote

LukeVFR wrote:
babyyam wrote:
Can I just say AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!


Quads are not bikes FFS. Rolling Eyes


They're quad-bikes. A bike with 4 wheels.

They're not saying a quad was involved in a bike crash (saying the quad is a bike)! Laughing They're saying the quad-bike was involved in a crash. Wink


Bike short for Bicycle Bi-Cycle Two wheels.....
Tri- cycle Three wheels
Mono Cycle one wheel

Quad Four wheels.

Luke VFR Wrong again... Razz
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Child killed in Quad crash Reply with quote

LukeVFR wrote:
Walloper wrote:
Bike short for Bicycle Bi-Cycle Two wheels.....
Tri- cycle Three wheels
Mono Cycle one wheel

Quad Four wheels.

Luke VFR Wrong again... Razz


I completely agree with your logic (apart from me being wrong - that never happens), and I never said I agreed with the name "quad-bike" - but that's what they're called. A quad-bike. Not a quad. That's just "slang" - "I'm off out on my quad, init blud." Very Happy

Walloper is a wanker! Razz


As they are technically they are Quadracycles, the term Quad is more correct in the same way Bike is used for Bicycle.

as it happens, I don't refer to them as Quad-bikes and have always called them quads.

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