Forced to go cold turkey in prison

[Liam_]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

look at this pish
they've been put in prison because they probably breached another persons human rights to live in peace and now these c*nts are claiming their human rights were ignored and getting compensation because they have been taken off their shitty drug habit. wtf, they've been done a huge favour!
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[Barry_M2]

Exactly.

Sent to prison and are claiming money because they are being stopped from doing something else that is also illegal.

This country's pathetic law's never fail to make me laugh (or cry!).

I'm a law abiding citizen that has a full time job, wife and child, and I've never once had a big payout from the government (or anyone else for that matter). But these people who are locked up for breaking the law in some form or other will be given thousands of pounds in cash because they cant take thier illegal drugs!!!

Errr, I got two words for them all...

TOUGH SHIT!
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[andrew]

I was just about to post the link to the story myself... I cannot believe this... The judge needs a good fucking slap. If he feels that sorry for them maybe he should be paying the fucking money himself.

[Liam_]

its not a judges decision, the home office settled out of court
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[headlamp]

I think that, if anyone was found guilty of an offence and sent to prison, they should be denied access to any Human Rights legislation on the basis that a convicted criminal is 'sub-human'. On release back into society they can have their human rights back again, if they behave themselves.
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[andrew]

[Liam_]

surely a judge would have laughed this out of court.

Judge: "What??? you want compensation because the prison didn't supply you with an illegal substance?? get the f**k back to jail for even attempting this and that goes for your brief too, he can be your new room mate"
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[G]

I believe it's methadone they are claiming they wanted to continue taking.

I wouldn't be surprised if they can still, occasionally at least, get hold of heroin while in prison, however.

[froggeh]

[Liam_]

but why should they be allowed to claim that their human rights were breached when they did the same to their victims?
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[Clanger]

[froggeh]

[Liam_]

we all get shafted in this country but i don't feel the need to go and take it out on someone walking the street and i don't turn to drugs either.
As for taking drugs being classed as a disease you can shove that up your arse, If someone falls into the trap of drugs, they only have themselves to blame.
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[froggeh]

[Liam_]

now your putting words in my mouth, i didn't say don't help drug addicts, i'm all for getting them off the sh!t.

i finished work 10mins ago, I'll continue this debate when i get home
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[froggeh]

Oh, and I'm one of the ones who dioesn't feel in the slightest bit 'shafted'

Sit back and think for a minute , the freedoms you have, the choices you have. Look at the population of the world ~6.5 billion and then think of where you could have been born...scary.

[Teaman]

right it seams quite a few people are a bit grr and some are just arguing about going cold turkey and denying rights to prisoners.

Ok my view,
I'm not happy about them settling out of court although I'm not happy that it even got that far.
They might have been sent to prison for some crim or another but isnt prison supposed to be rehabilitation?
none of us know the whole facts about the situation. Im sure if it was just a case of they were locked up for shop lifting from pound land we would be laughing our heads off or could they all be child killer peads? does that make it worse? (quite possibly)
so now we just know some prisoners have gone in prison being heavily dependant on drugs and were not given the adequate help to come off the drugs, I can see those prisoners just going quite mental and desperate for drugs, If it was a short term sentence they could come straight out of prison and take a hit of there normal dose no doubt killing them selfs. Who would be at fault then?

They should have had adequate help, end of. but that should have just gone to a formal complaint with some heads banged together further up the corporate ladder but not human rights rubbish, thats just takin the mick, I'm more peeved at the solicitor who took on the case than the home office for settling it although we need to really look at human rights issues and assess how far it goes and where to draw the line
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[bazza]

Well, seeing as they're such fans of legal procedure, maybe their victims should sue them in a private prosecution for compensation and empty their bank accounts - none of this £2 a week crap.
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[stinkwheel]

Well, flying in the face of popular oppinion. I would count taking someone with a long standing opiate habit straight off them as 'cruel and unusual' punishment.

It is physiologically addictive. That means your body becomes dependant on it, it's not just 'in your head'. You can actually kill someone by stopping their opiates abruptly.

In essence, it is a form of torture.

Ask any doctor, you do not just suddenly stop taking opiates after a long standing addiction, certainly not without close medical supervision and support.

The other thing is that coming straight off will result in prisoners obtaining illegal drugs in prison (randomised drug testing in jails gets something like a 60% positive rate). Abruptly withdrawing their supply does not do anything useful to get them off the habit, which is probably what is driving their criminal behaviour in the first place.

What they should be doing is getting these prisoners on a program which will get them off drugs altogether, either by reducing doses of methodone or one of the other 'rehab' programmes such as butorphanol. With any luck, this would see people coming out of prison 'clean' rather than going straight back out and immediately looking for a score.

Maybe too sensible (or expensive?) but how's this for an idea? If you go into jail with a drug habit, you can sign up for a rehab program. If you stick to it and sucessfully come off drugs, you qualify for early release on the understanding that you get a piss test every week for the next two years. You spend two years clean, you're home free. You fail even one test, you're straight back inside for the rest of your sentance.

[froggeh]

I think anyone who feels shocked by the 'fair' treatment of criminals needs to take a step and look at why...

It's fairly natural to want thieving,murdering,raping scum to pay, really get hurt back, to suffer. It's TOTALLY natural. It's a human emotion, the need for revenge...

And in certain circumstances it's ok. For instance I personally believe in instant justice, ie - If some twat breaks into my house, where my girlfriend, and baby and me are sleeping, I will kill them if given a chance. But if they get caught by the police I wouldn't want them killed...
If a chav nicks a car, and rams it into a lamppost, then great, one down x thousand to go...

BUT... If we are to punish AND attempt to get someone on the straight and narrow, we have to be very very careful. You tie up a pit pull and beat it daily, it WILL kill someone if it gets free, it's the same with a criminal. All animals, especially humans, respond to kindness, and calmness. And humans grow emotionally when they feel they are worth something, and that they can contribute.

We need to swallow pride, and the urge for revenge, in order to acheive anything. Of course it doesn't always work, but the other way NEVER works.

rant over.

*edited for spelling

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[Black Knight]

I don't believe methadone is the best way of coming off heroin however that is the system in place and I do agree with them in that they should have had access to it.

What I do disagree with is the financial benefit to them. I wonder if they would have gone through with it if there wasn't a few quid in it. When I say they I man both the prisoners and the bigger criminals the solicitors.

I would have prefered to see the £750,000 go towards setting up methadone clinics in the prisons or some form of healthcare, after all, thats what they were campaining for.
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