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I'm fully comp, but even if you claim off someone else then the next time you renew you are asked if you have any claims in the last five years and very often EVEN IF IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT they will load up the premium.
I'm even more pissed off as the bloody manager of the depot wouldn't even admit that his driver did this and wouldn't apologise for damaging my bike as it 'might indicate liability' - wanker. |
TinTin,
i don't believe you are correct here. Your insurance will go up of you do as you say, but you are filling out the form wrong. You must read the question as asking if YOUR insurance company has had to pay out as a result of any claims against you in the last 5 years. Don't tell them about any claims you've made against others..
The depot manager sounds like a wanker, but another bit of advice if you are involved in an accident, is to never admit responsibility. This is something that the insurance companies sort out, and your sole responsibility should be to give your insurance details, go home, and ring your insurance company and tell em what happened. He was correct in avoiding 'suggesting liability' by apologising, even though he probably didn't need to be a wanker and say something else helpful instead.
It's a bit like 'anything you say can be used against you in a court of law' etc, if it was found there was more to the accident that you or he realised, then he may be jeopordising his legal position as a result of admitting liability. ____________________ I'm a lover, not a fighter. |
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| edd wrote: | Well no, its the fault of the person who hits you, as I have just said, and as Finglonga said earlier, and why he had to claim off said person. |
Ah I think we're talking past each other.
It's the person who hits you whose insurance company your insurance company deals with, but in the case of the pileup, the person who hits' you's insurance company will refer the claim back to the insurance company of the person who hit the person who hit you. And so on, like a giant chain, until eventually the insurance company of the car right at the back of the pileup ends up paying out a huge claim.. and that dude's will be responsible and lose his noclaim bonus. I think.
all the rest are just little cogs in the chain...
So when I said fault, I meant the person who's insurance company foots the bill as the person who was insured with them was deemed to be the ultimate causer of the accident.
If that makes any sense at all.. ____________________ I'm a lover, not a fighter. |
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As mentioned; With insurance, you can only claim from the person whom makes contact with you, unless you can prove someones action caused a collision.
Your NCD will be affected only when your insurance company pays out. This may happen if it was not your fault, but the TP (third party) was uninsured. Therefore your insurance company would pay you, be unable to recover its losses and prejudice your NCD.
Your excess is only payable on damage to your vehicle. There is no excess on any TP's claim.
If you have an accident as at the start of this thread, simply claim against the TP's insurance company (the van). This usually involves phoning them and then providing details and your side of events together with any witnesses (and their statements). Its a pain, but it will not affect your insurance if you do it this way. You do not have to declare claims against other people at renewal, only ones against your own policy.
Quite rightly if you have legal cover you are entitled to use this to pursue the TP and it will not affect your NCD. All costs will be recovered from the other driver.
I know, I've had to do it on 2 occasions. Both times I was satisfied with the results. If you have witnesses things are fairly straight forward, but it can take time.
And yes, you would be able to claim against the VFR should you be unable to claim against the van (if he was uninsured etc). ____________________ Travelling around the world...a bit at a time. Where am I now? / Visit my BLOG
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| BFG wrote: | | tintin wrote: | even if you claim off someone else then the next time you renew you are asked if you have any claims in the last five years and very often EVEN IF IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT they will load up the premium.
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This is true. They encourage you not to claim at all. I.e. all insurance is a rip off.
Proof of a sort is No Claims Bonus. Not only do they give you a fake bonus for not using their service (It's actually just a discount), they offer protected no claims bonus for a premium.
Which is insurance on your insurance.  | This is not true at all. If you are fully comprehensive you have the option of claiming from your policy. You do not have to. If you claim from the other person directly, as mentioned above, then you do not have to disclose the claim to your insurers. You only have to disclose claims against your policy. Therefore it will not impact your premium at all.
Incidentally, as you said, it is NCD (no claims discount). There is no bonus, it is simply to try and encourage people not to take risks which could cause a claim. NCD protection is in recognition that if you have stayed accident free for 5 years, the chances are that any claim you have will not be due to you taking an elevated level of risk (beacuse you have proven that you are capable of not claiming for 5 years). This (NCD protection) usually only works for the first 2 claims in a 3 year period, after that you will loose your NCD.
I fail to see why everyone should pay the same for insurance, the current system is not fair, but it is fairer than everyone paying the same. ____________________ Travelling around the world...a bit at a time. Where am I now? / Visit my BLOG
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