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PostPosted: 15:19 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: water in the carb ? Reply with quote

i took my bike to a garage today after it kept cutting out when i stoped (going from high rpm to low rpm). and a noticable power loss he took it off me for about an hour and did his thing for £18 (he said there was water in the carb causing it) when i got back on the bike i noticed it sounded a tad different and the idle was now almost double what it was (was 800rpm now 1500ish rpm) there is still less power than there was it tops out about 50ish. when i use to be able to get it off the clock quite easy (clock stops at 50).

tbh i though it was the fuel/air filters needing a clean. i have also found out that my bike was running on res all the time and is now in the on position. but when i turned it back on res it sounded like more it did before i gave it to him........
how does water get in the carb and does this sound right because it seem he has just ajusted idle screw to me and turned the fuel tap to on (keep reading/hearing storys of dodge mechanics) . any ideas.
im sure its just me being paranoid he seemed like a nice fellow

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he also disconnected my neons Sad (came with the bike)
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I like to work on my own vehicles where I can. Unless you watch the mechanic you can never be sure what they've done to your bike/car,

Sounds like your on a moped or scooter, do you have a powerfilter on there? or is it the stock airbox? powerfilters suck up water easily and then it goes straight through the carb and into the cylinder causing misfires etc on a 8 mile trip my bike would cut out about 5miles in EVERYTIME in the wet with a powerfilter.

Things should be ok when its left to dry though.

Power loss and cutting out could be alot of things. Some people say the engine sounds different when the piston rings are nackered.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he was going to rip you off I think it would be for more than £18. I'm surprised that anyone has such a low minimum-charge nowadays.

Water can get in the tank from the fuel pump or from filling up from a can etc that had a bit of water in the bottom.

800rpm sounds a bit low for tickover on a small-capacity bike, have you checked what it should be?
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:

800rpm sounds a bit low for tickover on a small-capacity bike, have you checked what it should be?


It depends on what bike it is. My old RS50 used to tick over nicely at 800rpm, all my mates were ticking over at about 1500, i increased this though because it was taking to long to warm up.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a 03 rs50 as john said it ticked over nicely if i didnt go from high rpm to low rpm and if i kept the rpm low before stoping (under 4) the bike would not cut out (this happened when the bike was at optimal operating temperature as well) (did take a long time to warm up) the manuel says the idling speed should be 1100 + or - 100

and the mechanical side of the bike is completely stock as far as i know
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its the same year as mine used to be.

When was it last seviced??
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

just before i bought it 1-2 months ago... it wasnt used for about 2ish months before i got it though

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PostPosted: 18:25 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
its a 03 rs50 as john said it ticked over nicely if i didnt go from high rpm to low rpm and if i kept the rpm low before stoping (under 4) the bike would not cut out (this happened when the bike was at optimal operating temperature as well) (did take a long time to warm up) the manuel says the idling speed should be 1100 + or - 100

and the mechanical side of the bike is completely stock as far as i know


Then it seems like he has set the idle to what it should be. I couldn't begine to guess why you are losing a bit of power since having the tickover adjusted. It should have no bearing whatsoever on the power output.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh sorry i mean i was losing power about 5 days before i took it to the garage its been cutting about like that since i got it. so i though it was a blockage in my air filter because on top of these my exhaust fums smells a lot like petrol (so i have been told) dont know if they do now though
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
just before i bought it 1-2 months ago... it wasnt used for about 2ish months before i got it though

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This could be your reason, how many KM you done on it, after not riding mine for 2-3 days it needing a good ride to get it feeling right again. Havent read the whole thread, but, habe you tried something simple like changing the spark plug, i remember mine doing this, i think what it was, was the choke was stuck on because the cable had been caught, but the garage should have noticed that, so it cant be that. Also have you refilled the fuel since you got it. Could be the fuel that was left in there doing it.


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PostPosted: 18:42 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: water in the carb ? Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:


he also disconnected my neons Sad (came with the bike)



Also on a side note, have u fixed them back up yet? I dont think he should have done that without your say though.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

john2 wrote:

This could be your reason, how many KM you done on it, after not riding mine for 2-3 days it needing a good ride to get it feeling right again. Havent read the whole thread, but, habe you tried something simple like changing the spark plug, i remember mine doing this, i think what it was, was the choke was stuck on because the cable had been caught, but the garage should have noticed that, so it cant be that. Also have you refilled the fuel since you got it. Could be the fuel that was left in there doing it.
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done about 500 km i think i have not changed the sparks plugs but i really think i should have.... the power loss seemed to happen overnight really about a 5 days ago Sad

nick (thanks for the helps so far)
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: water in the carb ? Reply with quote

john2 wrote:
nick606 wrote:


he also disconnected my neons Sad (came with the bike)



Also on a side note, have u fixed them back up yet? I dont think he should have done that without your say though.


nopes as i dont know how to do it as i didnt fit them i might have a go though Thumbs Up when i mean disconnect he didnt take them off just not rewire them back up


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PostPosted: 18:49 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:


done about 500 km i think i have not changed the sparks plugs but i really think i should have.... the power loss seemed to happen overnight really about a 5 days ago Sad

nick (thanks for the helps so far)


Hmm, maybe try the spark plug, its worth a try, you can do that yourself quite easily cant you? If not just ask on here.

Also the neon thing, are they actually still on the bike? Just been unwired from the battery?


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PostPosted: 18:51 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i mean disconnect he didnt take them off just not rewire them back up (just edited the post above Very Happy ) i guess i should work on my phasing of stuff as some of my posts can me misleading

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PostPosted: 18:55 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
when i mean disconnect he didnt take them off just not rewire them back up (just edited the post above Very Happy ) i guess i should work on my phasing of stuff as some of my posts can me misleading

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Ahh thats cool then, just look under the seat where the battery is and you will see, well you should see two bare wires that are just sitting there not plugged into anything, one should be red one should be black. Unscrew the two screws on the battery slightly(watch out for sparks though Laughing ) Then slip the wires underneath the screws and screw them back up, red to positive and black to negative. They should work then.


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PostPosted: 19:13 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe be worth getting some carb cleaner in there. Very cheap to buy and very simple to use. Instructions on the can just a matter of taking air box off and spraying into carb. From my person experience it does the job. Have a look at your spark plus like john2 said. JUst out of interest what 2stroke oil are you using?
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
Maybe be worth getting some carb cleaner in there. Very cheap to buy and very simple to use. Instructions on the can just a matter of taking air box off and spraying into carb. From my person experience it does the job. Have a look at your spark plus like john2 said. JUst out of interest what 2stroke oil are you using?
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Thats a valid point. I used some rubbish 2 stroke at one point and that made it run like a bag of ****. These RS50's need to be run on fully synthetic oil, need to be about £7-£12 a bottle.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

john2 wrote:

Ahh thats cool then, just look under the seat where the battery is and you will see, well you should see two bare wires that are just sitting there not plugged into anything, one should be red one should be black. Unscrew the two screws on the battery slightly(watch out for sparks though Laughing ) Then slip the wires underneath the screws and screw them back up, red to positive and black to negative. They should work then.


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hmm this would be weird as i only gave him the ignition key (have separate key to the seat forgot to give it him) so i guess it must be disconnected from the switch which would mean there is a live wire hanging from somewhere Shocked or just a lose connection thanks for the help ill have a look tomorrow

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PostPosted: 19:19 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: water in the carb ? Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:


i have also found out that my bike was running on res all the time and is now in the on position. but when i turned it back on res it sounded like more it did before i gave it to him........


he also disconnected my neons Sad (came with the bike)


Am I the only one to spot this? Sounds like you have water in your tank. You should only be running on reserve if your main part of your tank runs out...Then you switch to reserve.

Drain the fuel, put fresh in and run with the tap in the on position. You may need to drain your float bowl again as well(most probably).

As for the Neons the bloke has taste by disconnecting them. Wink Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
john2 wrote:

Ahh thats cool then, just look under the seat where the battery is and you will see, well you should see two bare wires that are just sitting there not plugged into anything, one should be red one should be black. Unscrew the two screws on the battery slightly(watch out for sparks though Laughing ) Then slip the wires underneath the screws and screw them back up, red to positive and black to negative. They should work then.


John.


hmm this would be weird as i only gave him the ignition key (have separate key to the seat forgot to give it him) so i guess it must be disconnected from the switch which would mean there is a live wire hanging from somewhere Shocked or just a lose connection thanks for the help ill have a look tomorrow

nick


Hmm that is wierd, have a look and let us know tomorow, me (being a chav Rolling Eyes ) would know how to wire neons wouldnt i. Laughing

Maybe something has come lose with all the playing around he has done to it.
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Am I the only one to spot this? Sounds like you have water in your tank. You should only be running on reserve if your main part of your tank runs out...Then you switch to reserve.


Ah yes!! Was just about to mention Rolling Eyes

But yes very valid point...water in fuel...then water in carbs!
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
Maybe be worth getting some carb cleaner in there. Very cheap to buy and very simple to use. Instructions on the can just a matter of taking air box off and spraying into carb. From my person experience it does the job. Have a look at your spark plus like john2 said. JUst out of interest what 2stroke oil are you using?
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ill look into the carb cleaner and i am using fully synthetic oil (shell advance or something along them lines) dad got it for me from a dealer that sells some rs50 and rs125 so there shouldnt really be a problem there as he asked the guy which was the best

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: water in the carb ? Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
nick606 wrote:


i have also found out that my bike was running on res all the time and is now in the on position. but when i turned it back on res it sounded like more it did before i gave it to him........


he also disconnected my neons Sad (came with the bike)


Am I the only one to spot this? Sounds like you have water in your tank. You should only be running on reserve if your main part of your tank runs out...Then you switch to reserve.

Drain the fuel, put fresh in and run with the tap in the on position. You may need to drain your float bowl again as well(most probably).

As for the Neons the bloke has taste by disconnecting them. Wink Mr. Green


Yeh, but they are the same tank arent they, so surely the same petrol, worth a try though.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 13 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
sagiliam wrote:
Maybe be worth getting some carb cleaner in there. Very cheap to buy and very simple to use. Instructions on the can just a matter of taking air box off and spraying into carb. From my person experience it does the job. Have a look at your spark plus like john2 said. JUst out of interest what 2stroke oil are you using?
ls


ill look into the carb cleaner and i am using fully synthetic oil (shell advance or something along them lines) dad got it for me from a dealer that sells some rs50 and rs125 so there shouldnt really be a problem there as he asked the guy which was the best

nick


Its not the oil then as that is the good stuff to use.
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