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2 Strokes don't really engine brake, the engine just gets faster the more you change down lol.
Id say big single and V-twins are the best, something to do with compression i think  ____________________ No longer have a bike due to a DVLA/Court royal f**k up. |
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You shouldn't really engine brake for any length of time on most 2-strokes. Closed throttle = insufficient oil. The throttle controls the oil pump so when it's closed you're giving it oil for tickover but the engine's doing 6k revs. If you must (like on a steep hill) then it's best to blip the throttle occasionally.
Big singles have a huge amount of engine braking, you can lock up the rear if you downshift too quickly but it's more down to compression. A high compression, low revving engine will tend to have more engine braking effect than a lower compression, high revving engine.
Also the bigger the engine, the more effect. Try snapping the throttle shut on a 1340cc Harley and see how far you get. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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IL4 4t's have next to none.
2 Strokes have none.
4t Parallel twins have some, barely noticeable.
4t V-Twins have quite a bit, very noticeable.
4t Singles have collosal amounts. ____________________ CBT Aug '03 ... Gilera GSM 50 ... Honda NSR 125 Aug '04 ...
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Have to admit my engine braking on my sv650s means i hardly have to ever use the brakes unless needed to stop fast. i usually just tap the brake to make the light come on.
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Throttle cable meters the aperture effectively whilst revs control impeller speed and thus flow rate? That right? ie - all the throttle does is reduce the restriction on the flow the more you open it but faster the engine's going faster the flowrate no matter what the restriction... which should also produce the necessary variances in delivery - as the restriction opens head pressure decreases but flowrate increases... that sound about right Keith? (just guessing) ____________________ FAB-Racing MiniMotoSidecars - Back with a vengeance - F1 Class 2011...
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Hi
Not sure it alone is going to have any great effect on the total engine braking. Some effect from how heavy the lumps of metal are it is slinging round inside in total. More effect on how it feels / how long it takes feeling to return to your fingers when you have slowed down.
Get rid of the compression and you could turn the crank by hand.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 328 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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