This is taking the piss

[Matt06]

Had my second test not long ago and failed.... AGAIN.

I did everything perfect again only I failed for 20 in a 30 and for going through an amber light. I mean come on! What the fuck is that? Everything else was PERFECT and I get failed for that. E Stop and U Turn went well, control was fine and the examiner said observations were really good.

Im starting to think the DSA just want my money. I have to wait another month for another fucking test and another £60 down the drain.

As you can probably tell I am mighty pissed off. I dont have the money to keep doing this and my 125 is really really BORING and I have to ride it for another month .
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Without meaning to be funny, don't do 20 in a 30 or go through amber lights. It's fine to do that once you've passed but during the test you have to ride to test standard for 40 minutes or however long it lasts. Test standard will probably very different to how you will ride once you've passed. In fact, if you were to ride using some advanced riding techniques in your tests they would probably cause you to fail as well.

At least next time you should sail through

[Dazbo666]

Bad luck about the tests

As for your comments we obviously don't know the details, but as I see it, if you were doing 20 when it would have been safe and legal to do 30, the examiner would have to assume you weren't aware of the speed limit in that area... plus the fact that you'd potentially be holding up other traffic.
(My DAS instructors favourite was to keep reminding us not to make any manoevure that would unneccessarily affect the course of approaching traffic.)

And with regard to the amber light, could you have reasonably been able to anticipate and/or stop within the distance available??... Unfortunately for you, iIt seems the examiners assessment was different to yours
Without the details this one is more of a grey area IMO
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[MattEMulsion]

If it was safe to do 30mph in that zone at that time then you are expected to do 30mph. They class it as being able to 'make progress'. When I did my test a few years back now they encouraged you to keep up to speed at all times where it was safe to do so. I assume that this is still the 'idea' now.

As for the amber light then in the opinion of the examiner he must have thought that you had plenty of time to react and stop safely at the lights. Again you need to show that you are anticipating that the lights may be about to change and if it is safe to stop as the lights change in front of you then you must do so.

Good luck for next time.
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[Finglonga]

[keyser soze]

a guy i knew a few years back failed his test on being to confidant! he used to race so was very confidant and in control of the bike. he did everything right apart from moving around in his lane to get the best view and his knee may of touched down a few times! the guy that failed him said he was a great rider but rules are rules.

[Matt06]

Well, I've calmed down a bit now.

Anyway, the 30 zone I did 20 in was residential and also had speed bumps every 10-20 meters or so, so I thought it was a 20. The examiner said it was shame because it was basically a lack of local knowledge. The amber light thing, it changed when I was quite close and I didnt think anything of it.
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[vector74]

I got a few minors for doing 30 in a 40 several times .. was that a serious fault they put you down for 20 in a 30 ? If it was it must of looked real slow and he thought you would hold people up. You should not of been done for going through amber if you could not of stopped in time.. he must of thought you could have stopped. I failed for not doing a lifesaver on every occasion before I put the indicator on (was checking mirror first before indicator) which I thought was bs but what can you do. I failed for not doing uturn and at end of test I argued with the guy it was impossible to do in that space and he said not (he seen me walking it round and having to pull it back because it would not fit) Next test he took to me to the same uturn spot again (he remembered me) I refused to do uturn and told him to push it round to see if it could uturn in that space.. he took bike and couldnt do it. He then took me to a space that you could of turned a bus round. I think you need a bit of luck as well with you and sometimes it just doesnt happen.

[Matt06]

Yeah, it was a major. I failed on 2 majors. The amber light and the speed. Normally, 20 in a 30 would look really slow and stupid but the road was tiny and because of the speed bumps you couldnt exactly maintain 30 anyway.

Strange you failed on that. I always use mirrors before indicating and in both tests I have had no minors. Only majors for silly things. Last time was chaning lanes late and junction speed.

On my test both times the U turn and E stop were done in the same place. Its the same start for every route and there is plenty of space.

Like you said. The test can come down to luck on the day.
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[Matt06]

Thats exactly what I said to the examiner when at the end of the test he asked, 'What does an amber light mean'?

He said to me 'On that little machine you could have stopped'. To me I knew I probably could have stopped in time but it would have been a bit of a push might have made me look bad on the test so I thought it better to go through.
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[TheShaggyDA]

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[Andy C]

everyone takes risks in normal riding but when in my test i tried to not take any risks at all, as it was just reason to fail me.

Personally, going though an amber light in your test is a *bit* silly (no offence)
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[iooi]

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The bike test sounds very expensive and a right load of hassle these days. I'm glad I took mine over 20 years ago when it was almost impossible to fail.
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[colin1]

this reminds me that i really should not whizz through when lights have just changed to red, and i should be good, and stop if its safe to do so if i see amber.

test rules are good ideas really, as long as you arent running a bit late for work
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[andymarks]

Just out of interest how much is the test to do?

I have had a couple of lessons and will be looking to do mine sometime soon.
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[Matt06]

Its £60. Or there abouts. I can only speak for the test centre I have used.
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[Ariel Badger]

AMBER means 'Stop' at the stopline. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident.

I hate ambers, the above is IMHO rubbish. Doing 40 mph on a 40 limit your stopping distance is 120ft (dry conditions) if a light changes less than that distance in front of you you will have to go over it, no way you can just stop dead just as you approach the stop line
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[polarman]

Surely 20mph in a 30mph should be a minor? Even more so in a residential area with speed bumps. I would not be doing much if any more in my car.

As for the amber, well my instructor told me off once for stopping quickly for an amber - it seems it would have been safer to carry out on than stop.

Where did you take your test Matt?
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[Ariel Badger]

The highway code gives that distance so that should be the one you work on and just because you can stop in under that distance it does not mean the idiot behind you can.
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[Phil_G]

[polarman]

Yes Phil but Matt just says he got a major for 20mph in a 30mph. He does not say how many times he did it.

Surely you'd have to repeat this 3 times to get a major. Would this not be at 3 different times / roads?
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