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Andy C
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 24 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this wouldnt be as bad as everyone makes out if im honest.

When i had my SV i frequently topped it out on duel carriage ways and was a laugh. It was twice the power of my S4 now and a bit more. I thought going to 33bhp would suck. To be honest it really doesnt effect me as much as you would think. I can still out accelerate most cars and the only use of the extra hourses are for hooning if we're being honest.

I cant think of one valid reason why any bike on the road need more power than ~33bhp on the road. I think it would be a horrid law to come into action but there really isn't any justification for have 160bhp bikes on the road at all. The extra power must cause a lot of extra accidents as 33bhp is quite tame (not that i have rode a 160bhp bike). Well apart from manufacturers are going to lose out on lots of UK trade but to the government this isnt a valid reason IMO.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 24 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycles are a form of transport, particularly for young people.

Its rich to claim that theyre not, as im sorry, us young people cant afford £3500 car insurance. Well at least not the ones who have to work for what they want. I can insure a hayabusa for less than that at 18.

They wont introduce a speed limiter anyway - all the manufacturers would refuse because of the costs involved, and they would probably want all the old vehicles to come in to be restricted hence more cost. Itd be a stupid move to stop imports of cars and bikes - well there again, Gordon Brown is coming in.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

Motorcycles aren't a form of transport, they aren't particularly carbon efficient...


i disagree

i think you mean

big powerful Motorcycles aren't particularly carbon efficient

but they are still a form of transport

for commuting, not only may mpg be lower, but as you filter rather than sitting in standing in traffic, emmissions are less over a given journey
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:


big powerful Motorcycles aren't particularly carbon efficient



The latest 1000cc superbikes are pretty damn fuel efficient.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
The only bennefit of when I was 33bhp.

Was that I couldn't go more than 92.



I managed 120mph(indicated) downhill, tailwind on my old restricted 400!!
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
The latest 1000cc superbikes are pretty damn fuel efficient.


They are pretty awful. Only thing that makes them look good is a large car / 4wd.

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PostPosted: 14:31 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone saying that it should not matter, because the speed limits are 70 and we should not go over 100 Shocked. I strongly disagree i will regulaly do 150+ down the A3 and so will alot of other sportsbike riders! Yer im young but its part of the buzz and thrill i get from owning a bike. Their are also alot of bikers in their 40's+ who will not like this idea, anyway this will never happen!
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes are shit for economy and emissions. Plus think of it this way, your average litre superbike will weigh (sake of argument) 180kg. Your average litre car will weigh say a ton. That means that for the car to have a similar size engine for it's weight you would need a circa 6 litre engine, and have it in the same state of tune (180hp/litre at the crank) you would end up with over a thousand horsepower. Then take all the seats out apart from the drivers. Imagine that car's fuel economy and emissions per person. It's just not feasible to argue that (those partcular) bikes are a necessary form of transport.

I know it's an extreme example, but even those riding 'economical' GPZ 550 etc. have to realise that their 60-70mpg bikes will only ever carry them whilst doing it, and even the addition of a pillion passenger (thus splitting the emissions between them) will cause that to plummet.

The only really efficient bikes are bikes such as the CG and MZ sm that I had.

Before you jump on me as anti-bike or anti performance, there's a pretty damn close model of the hypothetical car mentioned above sat in the garage, and my DR350 has only ever managed 40mpg Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most cars, vans and lorries are carrying one person. Efficiency for a given pound of metal is not relevant. A car has to halt continually meaning that one person burns more fuel to no great benefit. Too few improvements have been made in regard to fuel economy, but given that they will do a given journey in one third of the time, it does not matter. It is a matter of how much fuel is needed to move someone from A to B. The bike wins in that regard.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thinkingaboutit wrote:
It is a matter of how much fuel is needed to move someone from A to B. The bike wins in that regard.


Average car is carrying over 1.5 people. Even if it is only managing 35mpg then that is 52.5mpg per person. Better than most bikes manage even though they have to sit in traffic jams less.

If we rely on 100% logical reason we are screwed.

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PostPosted: 09:05 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is a matter of how much fuel is needed to move someone from A to B. The bike wins in that regard


But not in relation to size of the motor, and efficiency takes a dive on a bike. Something that comes from making a lot of power from a small N/A motor.

And it's not really a matter of the amount of fuel used, it's more to do with how it is burnt and disposed of. The fact that my Dad's Camaro did 15mpg around town is going to have very little effect on the environment, the fact that it was well tuned and was a 1980's Californian car ensured that it produced less emissions than most new cars and that will have an effect.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 05 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As above. Fuel consumption pretty much only affect CO2 emissions (which are basically directly proportional for a particular fuel). The rest are down to other factors. For example oxides of nitrogen are largly created by high combustion temperatures, often fixed by recirculating some of the exhaust gases back into the engine.

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PostPosted: 18:44 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hate for this to happen but at the end of the day it's fair enough. We shouldn't be doing over a ton and at least this way we have abit of extra power incase we need to get out of trouble on the motorway. It would also mean my back spocket getting a hell of alot bigger Very Happy welcome to wheelie country.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
It would also mean my back spocket getting a hell of alot bigger Very Happy welcome to wheelie country.


Edited for goverment nanny state accuracy:

chris-red wrote:
It would also mean my back spocket getting a hell of alot bigger Very Happy welcome to anti-wheelie device country.

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PostPosted: 21:38 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

phk6 wrote:
plus our 70mph speed limit it years out of date modern cars and bikes could safley travell at 100mph on a motorway.


It isnt the cars and bikes ability that is the problem..

It is the squishy thing sat on, or in them that is the problem. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as a side note, the guy proposing this (now moot) bill was also lobbying to ban the sales of automobiles (of all descriptions) based on power/performance. Ie, Ferrari would have to have adverts banging on about their lovely interior upholstery instead of what mahusive engine is under the bonnet. Not too sure if this also got rejected but its yet another "nanny state" initiative that scares the f*ck outa me. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disgusting.

I've been riding a bike for 18 months now, and I can safely bet that I'm a better rider than any of the selfish bureaucrats in Europe.

They've got absolutely no right to be messing in something that they understand very little about.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is absolutely pointless what they should do is up the speed limit for motorbikes because they have a better stopping distance to a car and are capable of a higher speed more safely Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ravage wrote:
This is absolutely pointless what they should do is up the speed limit for motorbikes because they have a better stopping distance to a car and are capable of a higher speed more safely Laughing


Cars have better stopping distances than bikes. 4 fat tyres over 2 skinny ones.

Higher speed more safely? no, just no. If you're doing 120 in a car and crash chances are you'll get broken bones etc. do 120 on a bike and crash death/ serious injury are much more likely. Note, just talking generally.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Ravage wrote:
This is absolutely pointless what they should do is up the speed limit for motorbikes because they have a better stopping distance to a car and are capable of a higher speed more safely Laughing


Cars have better stopping distances than bikes. 4 fat tyres over 2 skinny ones.

Higher speed more safely? no, just no. If you're doing 120 in a car and crash chances are you'll get broken bones etc. do 120 on a bike and crash death/ serious injury are much more likely. Note, just talking generally.


you're more likely to AVOID an accident on a bike. more agile and about 1/4 width of a car.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 12 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

good point i was thinking in terms of the weight of a bike compared to a car its velocity requires more work to slow down due to being heavier that would vary, alot of things i didn't consider though
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive never seen a car with 1.5 people in it.

an di hope i never do i mean that would be quite sick Sick
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:

you're more likely to AVOID an accident on a bike. more agile and about 1/4 width of a car.


Cars can also turn whilst at full braking capacity to avoid the accident. Try that on a bike.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:

you're more likely to AVOID an accident on a bike. more agile and about 1/4 width of a car.


Cars can also turn whilst at full braking capacity to avoid the accident. Try that on a bike.


your still 4x more likely to crash in a car Razz
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 13 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:


your still 4x more likely to crash in a car Razz


There are also more than 4x as many cars on the road compared to bikes.

Bikes are also more dangerous per mile travelled.
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