July 1st No Smoking + Issues

[Louise]

Well its not far off from July 1st & None smoking in pubs/clubs ect ect

Which in a way I am quiet glad of. But I have some issues which I need some advice on.
We all know (Working in a pub) that we cannot smoke in the work place. Our current place to smoke is the back stair case. Or in the so called 'staff room' back of the bar away from custormer views.

Now, our bosses who are still relitivly new to most of us have put in a new rule. (Hardly any of us like them ATM so they have to be carefull to keep us on side)
No smoking on the back stair case - Only in the provided 'staff room' behind the back bar. Fair - Not a problem.
The problem I and the kitchen/bar staff is - We are not allowed to smoke during food service hours - Or untill the last food order has gone out.

During the week the food is from 12-2:30 then 7-9pm which isnt a great deal and we can all go out without a smoke (We do sneak down tho )

But our problem is, on a sat/sun service its food from 11ish till 4 (if busy) then 5.
We work stiaight from 10am till 4-5 - so basically were working 7 hours shift getting/serving food.
What are the laws concering break time?
I thought it were every 4 or 5 hours you can have a 15 min break. In that break we can do what ever we wish within reason - So, can we smoke or what!?

I, personally and the rest of my team think its un-fair that we cant smoke (80%) of staff smoke.
Non of us know where we stand.
Were ran by a shit company called Fullers - which we all just cant stand lol - Yet it seems our 'bosses' have imposed these rules for no aparent reason. Its all down to Aspen, the female boss - who dosnt know whats shes doing blah blah blah - Yet, what pisses us off is that her husband smoke when and where he wants.
Surely there has to be something we can go on to get something back, or at the very least get him to stop smoking due to the 'new' rules.

BTW the smoking rules are from our in house bosses and not the company.

I feel were being treated unfairly and im always getting complaints from the team - Im one of the longest serving team mates, so they all come to me asking for advie - Yet, i feel a let down because I cant give a direct answer. So, I told them Id come on here asking for your veiws guys.

Cheers

Louise x

[fire]

We already have this law implemented in Scotland.

If i remember correctly, initially everyone was quite strict about it.

And the law stated you had to be X amount of ft from your workplace to have a smoke.

So I'm presuming, during your 15min break, you could go take a walk.

Months have now gone by since this law was implemented, and my last work still had a smokers shelter round the back of the building which people could go smoke in. I'm assuming it created a lot of problems for them with people wondering off, and being late back from their breaks. Thats why they allowed this.

Think there more concerned about getting it banned from pubs and clubs, where as your work place will become a bit more relaxed with it over time hopefully.
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[Louise]

We are 'planned' to have a small shelter where some employes park there cars. But were not allowed to use this at all.
Which then comes to account where will we park.
Just outside the pub is parking space, but run by the council - pay & display. I brought this up at the last meeting - I can park where I want as Bikes are free, Yet 50% of staff drive and park 'within the pubs lines' If this shelter dose happen then would then have to pay and display - parking permets wont be allowed.
It just all tits up at the moment. I agree with the no smoking, I 100% have no problem - I just worrie about the staff, being the team member thats been there the longest I get so many questions I have to pass on, then they relie on me to give them answers. I love my team - been with them for the best part of 3 years and I cannot give them a direct answer. I feel in myself a let down - altho I shoudnt as this no smoking has nothing to do with me.

[anders]

Save yourself a lot of worry and hassle and quit smoking please!!!
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[anders]

The rule with the new smoking regs that you CANNOT smoke inside the workplace, no where, not in any staff room or toilet or staircase.

You must smoke outside.
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[Louise]

Yes anders I understand this whole fekking policy

My point being is she has started allready without the smoking ban inplace.
Im purly asking what the rule is at this moment in time with break policys and smoking. She cant stop us surely smoking IN the work place IN the staff room whilst it isnt a ban - Yet.

WHEN then ban comes in I will be MORE then happy to smoke outside!

Oh and shes given alot of leaflets out about quitting smoking and given alot of advice, which TBH I think is total bullshit - If we wanna quit we will. But, that is going away from the original topic which I asked.

[Visitor Q]

Tis all FUBAR mate.

Just go for a 'walk' on your break and smoke a shit load round the corner.

Im up in wales now and its been running the last few months. Clubs are a nightmare.

I suppose its quite a cheeky way to get people to cut down, but tnhey will only make a SUPER RACE OF SMOKERS

ONES THAT ARENT AFRAID OF THE COLD AND QUEING

HAHAHAHAH

Sorry, its the in joke up here. We rant to pass the time in ques and shite. Plus we get natty little smoking tickets even though we're going into a smoking cage with no escape
And the best bit is queing for 20 mins to have some fat bitch collapse in the smoking area rendering it unuseable until an ambulance arrives to administer IV salad. Then you have to que AGAIN!

Fuckers.

Its violent enough up here in the land of noncy psychology students and sheep cuddlers. Stevenage is going to get fucking lively
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[m99dws]

If you want somewhere to go an smoke, I want somewhere to go fart. How about a special room for those of us who want to fart at work.

[J0Al1]

Have to agree with the general consensus - I don't see this as a topic to moan about.

Oh NO - How am I going to go and damage my health now - STOMP!

[h00dwink]

why would they want to give you time off to kill yourself?
i wouldn't want the majority of my staff to stink like old arse if they're serving food to people.

as far as the 15 minute rest thing goes, that's more up to your employer when you can take it apparently-
https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/WorkingHoursAndTimeOff/DG_10029451
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[Kwaks]

We have the ban, as stated NO SMOKING in any enclosed spaces (including bus shelters) if more than 50% covered. Your employer is just starting early for everyone to get used to it without risking a fine for non compliance, pretty sensible really.

Non smokers I know tend to go out for the smoke breaks with their colleagues for the fresh air and chat, rather than winging about smokers getting extra breaks.

To my knowledge the only exemptions to the ban are where it is dangerous to smoke outdoors, such as oil refineries and rigs
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[Dragonfly]

You should see where my dads works there all crowded in this bus shelter type thing. Anywhere i worked you where not allowed to smoke in doors anyway and going outside sometimes was a pain so you cut down. I took the same breaks as none smokers and the non smokers actually hung about outside as most smoked.

My mates are all staying in though as we have had the ban here for a while and no one is going to pubs anymore, more houseparties than ever. Dont matter to me i smoke in my own home and no where else! and i suppose someone wants to ban that in my house to?
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[Annabella]

We became a smoke-free organisation as of the 1st January 2006 in advance of the new legislation. If you want to smoke you have to be out of uniform and out of the building.

The refuges outside the hospital doors are only for patients who aren't capable of walking - definitely not for staff!

It's only four weeks away, I'd get used to it and find somewhere to go before everyone else starts looking too.
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[st3v3]

in all my places of work Iold for every 5ish hours you work, your entitled to 15 mins break. my afternoon hours are 1-5, yet I have a 15min break from 3 til 3.15 taken it late today, but the point still stands. I'd have a look at any contract you have, if non arrange a fair one to be drawn up
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[Kwaks]

Its 15 mins break for every 3hrs 45mins worked
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[scorps]

non smokers gripe my shit not only do i have to suffer the indignity of forking out my hard earned cash for my self inflicted addiction, the cheeky fuckers breath in smoke that IVE PAID FOR, ive a good mind to invoice the thieving gits
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[veeeffarr]

Glad I gave up smoking, and to be honest this is one of the reasons I did.

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[stinkwheel]

What you'll notice when the ban comes in force is that nightclubs totally stink of arse. Everyone is drinking sugary, high caffeine drinks and are merrily pumping away as they dance.

As for the smell in the toilets .

In a lot of Scottish pubs, there are more people stood outside than in the actual bar.

I think there is an interesting point of employment law too. Say you've been working somewhere for ten years and have gone outside for a fag during your break every day of that 10 years. The management suddenly dictate that there is to be no smoking at all on site, even outside. It's not illegal for you to smoke outside and if you've been doing it for a long time, it is implicit in your contract of employment. They know you smoke and you have always been allowed to smoke, suddenly you're not.

It's like if they provided a free carparking space then suddenly decided you weren't allowed to park on site. It may not be written into your contract but the fact that they have provided it for a long period implies this was part of your 'deal'. Removing this constitutes a change to your terms and conditions of employment.

There might be an argument for breach of contract/constructive dismissal in such a case. I wonder if anyone will try it?
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[Andy C]

ill soon be working again in a pub and im pretty much the only one there that doesnt smoke.

I cant wait for it to come in and smokers seem to have more breaks than non-smokers. My boss is fair and laid back but when your a smoker you have a reason to stop for 5 mins. Now i just say i want to step outside which is like a non-smokers break (go check on the bike as well)

Im going to ask to work on the 1st July, i cant wait to tell people not to smoke at the bar, really isnt that nice (doesnt bother me that much but still not good).

Louise, is this law not tempting you to quit?
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[akaDAVE]

I will be very interested to see what happens in clubs.

I can see how it will work at pubs but not clubs where bouncers won't be happy to have two way traffic all night.

I gave up two years ago >Smug grin>>> and I hate the smell of smoke when it's overpowering, but as mentioned above,I think a background smell of tobacco smoke works to cover the stench of everything else in a nightclub...tarts, cheap perfume, Lynx deoderant, stale beer, redbull, vomit, piss.

It will be strange.
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