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flimbar
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Engine braking bad? Reply with quote
Just got my first bike after passing my test, a Suzuki sv650s. In the manual it says:

"When down-shifting, the engine speed should be increased before the clutch is engaged. This will prevent unnecessary wear on the drive train components and the rear tire"

This seems to me to be saying don't use engine braking to slow down. One dealer told me that people like V-twins because of the good engine braking they provide.

What's the score? Should I engine brake or will it knacker the bike?
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Barry_M2
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it just mean's blip the throttle while down shifting, it makes a smoother change between gears when you do this.
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Dazbo666
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Barry_MC21 wrote:
I think it just mean's blip the throttle while down shifting, it makes a smoother change between gears when you do this.


Yup, you'd still be using the engine braking, just reducing the amount of stress and wear on the components when you initially shift down a gear Thumbs Up

(...and reducing the chances of locking the rear wheel)
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flimbar
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Barry_MC21 wrote:
I think it just mean's blip the throttle while down shifting, it makes a smoother change between gears when you do this.


But when I'm slowing down I am pulling the front brake, so how do I blip the throttle?

When I am slowing I am holding the brakes on and clicking down through the gears, engaging the clutch at each down-shift so that the engine braking adds to the breaking provided by the brakes. Is this the wrong way to ride?

Should engine braking be used separately from braking braking?
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
flimbar wrote:
Barry_MC21 wrote:
I think it just mean's blip the throttle while down shifting, it makes a smoother change between gears when you do this.


But when I'm slowing down I am pulling the front brake, so how do I blip the throttle?

Move your brake lever up higher so that you can reach comfortably. You will have to learn to get used to your new controls. Failing that, learn to move your wrist while braking at the same time. I use only my index finger for front braking and my other four fingers on the throttle to allow a better feel of the grip

When I am slowing I am holding the brakes on and clicking down through the gears, engaging the clutch at each down-shift so that the engine braking adds to the breaking provided by the brakes. Is this the wrong way to ride? Should engine braking be used separately from braking braking?

No. Using the braking from the engine and hydraulic brakes at the same time will have a much greater stopping mass, than one of either. Engine braking as well as braking by blipping the throttle during downshifts shouldn't be attempted by the inexperienced. Learn your bike first taking each stage step as a time. Unless you are racing with a slipper clutch, it's quite the opposite


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fzr_400
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
i wouldnt worry mate the engine braking only really really comes into play when you have boomed it down the road and let off the throttle, this is when you will feel it the most, just let your clutch out slowly and all will be fine!!
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rocket_richie
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 21 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
just blip the throtle b4 down shifting thats what it means
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 21 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
flimbar wrote:
But when I'm slowing down I am pulling the front brake, so how do I blip the throttle?
Should engine braking be used separately from braking braking?


With forward planning you can use engine braking on its own. Annoys the hell out of drivers behind you when you are crawling up to lights, but who cares....

You will learn how to blip the throttle and brake at the same time. It is quite easy, 2 or 3 fingers on the brake and just twist your hand with the throttle clammped by thumb and 1st finger, you just let the brake fingers slide on the lever.
Its a lot easier to do than explain.
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