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PostPosted: 22:43 - 19 Sep 2007    Post subject: HT Caps, electrical questions Reply with quote

ok kids i have a couple of ht caps here 1 of which i was going to use,
bear in mind these are 2nd hand caps,
but i thought i'd test the coils i was unscrewing them from while i was at it,
1 tested out ok at 26kohm but the other coil tested out at 1.85Mohm
now thats quite a difference,
no worries i thought, they are just spare coils i had lying about,
any way unscrewed the ht caps and thought i'd just pop my meter either side of it,
and 1 cap i got a resistance of 10.9 kohm
and the 2nd had a resistance of 1.87Mohms

so any way i know the second cap is fuct,
but why does the first one even have a resistance??
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 19 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi , could you explain how to use a multimeter to test coils mate ?
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Hi , could you explain how to use a multimeter to test coils mate ?


ok jamie, just cause im a nice guy Very Happy
ok you know that a coil is essentially just a transformer
https://www.drivelineblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/transformer-srt10.jpg
no not one of those, one of these
https://lakewoodconferences.com/direct/dbimage/50188629/Power_Transformer.jpg
and it changes you measly 12v to a mighty 30000 volts (approx)
well for a transformer to work it has 2 sets of windings (copper wire)
the primary winding and the secondary winding, the primary winding being the supply side and the secondary being the spark plug side,
heres what a coil circuit looks like
https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/coil.jpg
ok sweet, now you have 2 plugs on each coil.
1 at the beguining of the primary coil and one between the end of the primary coil and secondary coil.

to test the primary winding, switch your meter to "ohms"
and place each lead to each terminal,
you should have a resistance of between 3 and 5 ohms (coils can differ)
to measure your secondary winding,
remove the ht cap (because we now know it has a resistor to supress noise) and stick one probe in the end of the ht lead and the other on the second terminal ,
we should get a reading of about 13.5kohm (13500 ohms)
it won't matter too much what terminal you put the probe on because whats 5ohms when we are measuring 13500 ohms Very Happy
and thats it, if you get crazy results then you know you coil is buggered Very Happy

thats thats the end of todays lesson Very Happy
tomorrow we'll be talking about the Spanish inquisition Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll have one of: resistive plugs, caps or ht leads for RFI suppression.

Use all three together to suppress RFI to the point where you get no spark at all. Use none for a great spark and messing up everybody's tv sets. Smile

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PostPosted: 00:17 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool, i think i might just have to invest in non resistive ht caps Very Happy awesome Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youll have fun finding non resistor caps these days.

Not to mention all uk spec plugs are resistor plugs.

I ran my previous GSXR1100 with J9A non resistor plugs, high output coils and silicone 1ohm resistor leads. The leads prevent too much noise without excessive losses.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bish777 wrote:
Youll have fun finding non resistor caps these days.

Not to mention all uk spec plugs are resistor plugs.

I ran my previous GSXR1100 with J9A non resistor plugs, high output coils and silicone 1ohm resistor leads. The leads prevent too much noise without excessive losses.


just bought some non resistive caps £1.75 each, now all i gotta do is find some non resistive plugs, and then i can terrorize the neighborhood Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non resistor plugs are easy. Same code number, without the R.

So B8HS would be non resistor, BR8HS would be the same plug with a resistor.

Too much resistance kills your points too, eats away at the electrodes.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Non resistor plugs are easy. Same code number, without the R.

So B8HS would be non resistor, BR8HS would be the same plug with a resistor.

Too much resistance kills your points too, eats away at the electrodes.

cool cheers for that, i was trying to find them but couldnt find the info for non resistive plugs,
your a gent Karma
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
jamie stokes wrote:
Hi , could you explain how to use a multimeter to test coils mate ?


Ok Jamie, just cause I'm a nice guy Very Happy


Cheers mate , Karma for you.
Going to check the ones on the Cb 750 as I think they are whats causing the miss fire.

Cheers. Karma Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

check the ht caps as well, and make sure all the resistances are the same, the cap is more likely to be the fault than the coils, Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
Use none for a great spark and messing up everybody's tv sets. Smile


Something I found:

Quote:

Resistor plugs are used for two reasons --

1. They cut down electrostatic interference.

2. They provide a sharper "edge" to the voltage spike, making for
a stronger, shorter spark. On high RPM motors, this is important.

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PostPosted: 18:24 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool, the cb isn't really a high revving motor, and its recomended to have nonresisive plugs anyway Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
cool, the cb isn't really a high revving motor, and its recomended to have nonresisive plugs anyway Very Happy
nice find though Thumbs Up


Just to clarify it was in an article about plugs in general, and that bit was in the motorcycle section... I got the impression it meant motorcycles in general (i.e. high revving compared to a car).

I don't know enough about this to comment really, but following the manufacturers recommendations sounds sensible Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of bikes have to use resistor plugs to stop the RF interference scrambling the various black boxes. There is no real need for them on points ignition bikes.

Try riding a 350YPVS with the powervalve controller chattering the exhaust valve open and closed at random intervals though! "Hmm. Ok, we'll put the resistor plugs back in then shall we."
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:


just bought some non resistive caps £1.75 each, now all i gotta do is find some non resistive plugs, and then i can terrorize the neighborhood Very Happy


www.crc2onlinecatalog.com

US company, but take paypal. Great service, check out the Accel Coil kits, had a set on my previos 1100. Works GREAT!

Do every plug under the sun.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or there's www.sparkplugs.co.uk

I've used them before, no problems. See if you can find a Nippon Denso equivalent to the NGK plugs you're supposed to use. NGK quality control seems to have gone down the toilet in the last few years.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They dont seem to do alot of non resistor plugs.
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