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PostPosted: 02:36 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

See the implied admission that they are using ANPR technology to track the movements of vehicles?

It was the Romanian guy. The registration of the car had been 'flagged' as having been seen near the site of a robbery. No proof they had actually been up to anything.

They pulled him over on the basis of this then proceeded to book him for not having a child seat. Now pulled for bank robbery, booked for failure to wear a seatbelt. Another win for intelligence lead policing? Or simply flagging a car as "Please hassle". There was no mention made of the reason given for the stop.

I wonder if they have any 'checks and balances' for which vehicles are flagged up in this manner?

The copppers actually admitted that this was a useful thing to do because "It allows us to keep a track of the movements of these vehicles which could be useful in case of any other incidents."

How big a step is it from this to keeping a track of everyones movements using the same technology?
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PostPosted: 04:11 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
See the implied admission that they are using ANPR technology to track the movements of vehicles?

It was the Romanian guy. The registration of the car had been 'flagged' as having been seen near the site of a robbery. No proof they had actually been up to anything.
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Thats part of the problem , the Romanian guy may well have been here completely legit , be insured licenced etc. But this stokes up the old bloody immigrants type train of thought.

Checks ? balances ? , oversight? , what are you some sort of Terrorist or something?
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
See the implied admission that they are using ANPR technology to track the movements of vehicles?

It was the Romanian guy. The registration of the car had been 'flagged' as having been seen near the site of a robbery. No proof they had actually been up to anything.

They pulled him over on the basis of this then proceeded to book him for not having a child seat. Now pulled for bank robbery, booked for failure to wear a seatbelt.


Seems a std thing for police to do, and they have done it for years. Question people near the scene of a robbery, if any details come out they get passed along and you get pulled.
All they are doing now is using new tech to speed up the process. Had he of had his child in a seat, and been wearing a seatbelt he would have been fine. Rest must have been legit.
At least now he know he has to tow the line.

If you ain't done owt wrong you got nothing to fear. All they are doing is their job and trying to catch the criminals.
What would you have said if he had been the robber ???
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't like the idea of increasing monitoring of people using whatever technology, but I would have hoped they would have spotted the unbelted children in any event. The fact that they let him drive away with the kids STILL unbelted was frankly horrifying.

When you compare that to the guy who got three points and a £60 fine for having his ladder fall off the roof of his van it simply beggars belief!

The very fact that bloke stopped indicated to me that it was a genuine mistake, and he had learned his lesson, why fine the guy? I was enraged.

Compare that to the Romanian who I would bet my ass is still driving without car seats etc, but was let off scot free.

Common sense anyone?
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
The very fact that bloke stopped indicated to me that it was a genuine mistake, and he had learned his lesson, why fine the guy? I was enraged.


Exactly... Guess what the moral of the story in that instance was?

If something comes off your roof, just keep driving
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
If you ain't done owt wrong you got nothing to fear. All they are doing is their job and trying to catch the criminals.
What would you have said if he had been the robber ???


Are you aware that they are planning an ANPR tracking network to track everyone everywhere?

Gatso 2: rollout of UK's '24x7 vehicle movement database' begins
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/

UK car tracking database delayed to boost capacity
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/18/anpr_delayed/

Britain will be first country to monitor every car journey
https://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece

ANPR UK: Police to set up national Automatic Number Plate Recognition network
https://www.wombles.org.uk/article200611392.php

And so on...

It is inevitable it will be abused.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


If you ain't done owt wrong you got nothing to fear. All they are doing is their job and trying to catch the criminals.
What would you have said if he had been the robber ???


you don't know if you have anything to fear , as said laws can be put in place quite easily which makes things you take for granted now illegal,

Just look at the 2007 Money laundering laws came in Dec 15th , they are incredibly intrusive , hard to comply with and serve very little purpose , ie an old granny with just a pension and a few bank accounts and a few bonds you have to haul over hot coals for anti money laundering purposes. They don't like it , accountants like it less,.
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PostPosted: 02:58 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Thats part of the problem , the Romanian guy may well have been here completely legit , be insured licenced etc. But this stokes up the old bloody immigrants type train of thought.

Checks ? balances ? , oversight? , what are you some sort of Terrorist or something?


No, they didn't tell us his name. "The Romanian guy" was about as individual a description as I was able to give seeing how there were no other Romanian people appearing on the same program.

There were several people fitting the same description though so that would have been no use. "Dark hair, dark skin, kind of thin, eyes too close together..." Laughing

The REALLY interesting bit for me was the lad who was stopped for having incorrect numberplates on his car. He'd already had a written instruction to have them fixed a week previously. He was lippy as hell to the copper and was fined a grand total of £30. The coppers were unable to relate the plates to the car or the driver. He was stopped because they didn't appear on the ANPR database.

So, false plates= £30 fine. Speed past a camera at 120mph= driving ban and minimum 3-figure fine... False plates are looking like a good option!
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately sticky, although the copper was really aggressive with him when he pulled him out of the car. That was unneccesary IMO.

That copper was just a chav.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep tellin` the girls on here to: fix the end cans, visor and PPE or you risk a pull, done for treason/terroism and deported back to Belfast. Or something..
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry to have to ask, what is the ANPR database..

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PostPosted: 13:32 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBurrows88 wrote:
sorry to have to ask, what is the ANPR database..

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PostPosted: 16:25 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was the 18yo number plate guy thing that seemed incrediebly unproffesional of the traffic officer. There was no need for the officer to pull the chap from the car, and then the other police officer was giving has much as he got. He did talk down to the young guy, no respect. He was just wound up with him. But the face that he had 14 days to sort his number plates out, and yet still got another fine. That is just ludacris.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
But the face that he had 14 days to sort his number plates out, and yet still got another fine. That is just ludacris.


He had 14 days to get it fixed (after which, if he hadn't done so and presented the paperwork, they'd have fined him more). He was not supposed to be driving it again until he had done so.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Did anyone watch "Motorway Cops" tonight Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I wonder if they have any 'checks and balances' for which vehicles are flagged up in this manner??


The intel on the database has a rating of how accurate the information is and the source of the intel. If a car is seen at the scene of robbery and has previous for crime then it will be linked on the database as a possible target.

As for the officer being agressive to the 18 year old. I would agree he was a little agressive and the fact he stopped as soon as the blue lights were activated indicates that he would comply.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do police actually have quotes to meet when it comes to fines ?


Lol i also like it on police programs where the guy the police is chasing gets away and then the presenter says something like "This criminal was arrested later, all thanks to the dedication and skill of the brave police men involved." As if they caught him. I don't think I've seem one when the criminal got away.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt mind the cops going round with ANPR but bailiffs
have em in vans trawling the streets looking for untaxed vehicles.
They threatend to take a womans dog if she didnt pay up there and then .
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I couldn't believe they gave the bloke with the ladders 3 points. What cunts! He was a nice enough guy and was genuinely sorry. Utter power hungry pricks.


Totally deserved. His ladders could have killed someone. At what point should people start to get points then?
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LukeVFR wrote:
I couldn't believe they gave the bloke with the ladders 3 points. What cunts! He was a nice enough guy and was genuinely sorry. Utter power hungry pricks.


Dunno, I'd be kinda pissed if I hit some ladders at motorways speeds Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RatBlack wrote:
LukeVFR wrote:
I couldn't believe they gave the bloke with the ladders 3 points. What cunts! He was a nice enough guy and was genuinely sorry. Utter power hungry pricks.


Totally deserved. His ladders could have killed someone. At what point should people start to get points then?


Perhaps when it is clear that they have knowingly and deliberately broken the law.

What was the point in giving him the points? I don't think he needed a deterrent, it was clear that he had learned his lesson, and would be triple checking anything he put on the roof again. HE STOPPED ffs, surely that shows that he was genuinely concerned for what had happened.

The cops should have seen this and realised that the only effects of giving the points would be:
- Increased insurance costs for the van driver;
- The cost of the fine to the driver;
- Our delightful government being £60 better off;
- A crime solved stat.

None of which I would consider to be in the public good.

It was incredibly petty of them, PARTICULARLY when in the same program they (not the same officers) let the guy go with unrestrained infants in the car!!!

HELLO!! Perspective anyone? Anyone???
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RatBlack wrote:


Totally deserved. His ladders could have killed someone. At what point should people start to get points then?


If that's the police's attitude then 'Bye Bye I'm offski mate' will soon be the norm. If you're going to get points anyway you may as well just pi$$ off sharpish.

Not condoning it, remember it'll just mean a dangerous object left in the road. Situation could have been easily remedied by a bit of common sense by plod.

How about a bit of carrot rather than stick huh? Confused
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What boils my pish is when tax payer funded law enforcers give chase to some cnut who has no intention of stopping and/or has no care for anyone except himself. When eventually nabbed, using hell knows how much in revenue for choppers, cars and bikes, then his face and reg. is digitised 'To Protect His Identity'???? Shocked

My Sweet Smelling Arse Crack I would.
I would drag the bastert out the car by his lips, strip the fukir naqued then beat him shitless and bloody. In-front of camera. But digitise the police officer's faces to protect their identity.
Who the fcku are the police there to protect?
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I hate those 'Police Camera Non-action' programs, because there's never any real 'closure', as they say.

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