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PostPosted: 09:39 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

OK, after ANOTHER morning trying to get through a queue of mothers in 4x4s while on the phone doing their lipstick and ignoring all traffic rules know to man and beast, I've drafted a letter. But I don't know who to send it to?
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Good morning.

I am frankly appalled at the standard of people's driving ability and manners when using roundabouts in heavy traffic conditions. I frequently see two types of behaviour that I would like to highlight;

1. Queuing across a roundabout - when the exit is not clear, people seem to ignore the fact that you must give way to the vehicle on your right. People join a roundabout just to occupy a space, and thus get in the 'queue'.
2. Taking advantage of the 'give way' rule, and approaching a roundabout in the right hand lane, continuing for a 'lap' of the roundabout and eventually turning left.

Both these actions result in dangerous manoeuvring that must no doubt cause a rise the rate of accidents. Also, as people use their 'right of way' argument, I see incidences of 'road rage' quite often. This cannot continue - our society is falling apart!

The ultimate answer I think is obvious. Roundabouts are doomed. If people can't take the time and trouble to use them in the manner intended, tear them up and put traffic lights in their place.

Personally, I'm in favour of roundabouts when used properly. They allow a large volume of traffic to flow very well indeed. Obviously, they consume no power and sometimes the traffic may be so light that you don't actually need to halt at the junction, which means they're 'greener' in use than traffic lights.

So, I consider this to be anti-social behaviour, so do I approach my local Council and ask them to monitor the roundabout I have in mind at certain times of the day and hand out ASBOs to 'offenders'? Or is the behaviour illegal, and I should approach the Traffic section of my local Police Authority? Or perhaps the Highways section of my County Council would listen to my request to replace the roundabouts with lights?

Or perhaps if nobody cares and it is indeed a free for all, am I to assume 'attack mode' and behave as described?

Kind regards
A. Motorist.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
2. Taking advantage of the 'give way' rule, and approaching a roundabout in the right hand lane, continuing for a 'lap' of the roundabout and eventually turning left.


Surely that's just common sense/initiative rather than 'anti-social behaviour?'
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave, if that was how the roundabout was MEANT to be used there wouldn't be a right hand lane on the entry...... Come on......!
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
I've drafted a letter. But I don't know who to send it to?


Send it to someone who'll listen and can or will do anything about it, so right-click and delete.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

Dave McCool wrote:
UnknownStuntman wrote:
2. Taking advantage of the 'give way' rule, and approaching a roundabout in the right hand lane, continuing for a 'lap' of the roundabout and eventually turning left.


Surely that's just common sense/initiative rather than 'anti-social behaviour?'


Thumbs Up I do that all the time. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local rag......

Maybe some of the bike mags with letter pages.....

Other than that, the bin......

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
1. Queuing across a roundabout - when the exit is not clear, people seem to ignore the fact that you must give way to the vehicle on your right. People join a roundabout just to occupy a space, and thus get in the 'queue'.

Some (okay, a few) roundabout's that seems to get paid attention to. Everywhere else, if you don't enter join the stationary queue then you're never going to get anywhere.

Driving a lap around a roundabout and then eventually turning left, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just called making progress.

Think you'll find there's far more public support against bikes filtering than there are for the problems you've described.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im loving your name.

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PostPosted: 13:08 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Driving a lap around a roundabout and then eventually turning left, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just called making progress.


Agreed, if the left lane is backed up for miles but the right lane is totally empty, a good example being Cathorpe, A14 West with M1 junction. Then i'd always go into the right lane, save nearly 20minutes of queues and just lap the roundabout, straight onto M6 North. Why sit in 20minutes of queues, especially when I'm at work.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask a cop to have a drive along that route, I don't mean proper uniformed police,

There is this cop on an unmarked police pan (its blue the other is burgundy red) , who patrols outside the HG up to prestwich, he is an annoying person but tickets loads of drivers on that road, I've over taken him on the NTV once and filtered pretty quickly and he is ok with it.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear what you're saying, the last option it is then. All my morals and driving etiquette are just about to go out the window...... Fuck the lot of you, it's ME ME ME....



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PostPosted: 16:31 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drive like that all the time ,and i love a road rage punch-up,watch out im the guy that will be out "milling" before youve got the seat belt off Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

garyd wrote:
Drive like that all the time ,and i love a road rage punch-up,watch out im the guy that will be out "milling" before youve got the seat belt off Laughing


What an enlightened, considerate, mature and thoughtful person you must be.

Or perhaps you're just a cunt?

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you cant beat em, which you wont be able to because you'll just end as the new bull bar on mummys range rover Thumbs Up , then join em.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a specific roundabout or route, or is it roundabouts in general?

If its the first, then send your letter to your local councillor (he/she may use it themselves and will have first hand experience of it themselves which will help++). Also send a (different) letter to your local cop shop stating that you regularly witness several traffic violations on the same route.

If its the second, you could send it to the DfT - https://www.dft.gov.uk/contact

EDIT: You'll need to include your name & contact details for it to be taken seriously
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come to Brussels, Belgium, and tell me drivers in the UK are bad.

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PostPosted: 23:46 - 05 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hollyj wrote:
Is it a specific roundabout or route, or is it roundabouts in general?



If he/anybody hates roundabouts, you should all visit Skelmersdale.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it was a specific roundabout, about 6 months ago it started happening. But as people have watched others doing it on that one, the behaviour seems to have spread all along the route I take.

I think I'll take Hollyj's advice, it's the most sensible I've had so far... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with the 2nd option at all Thumbs Up

how the hell does it cause people to do a dangerous manouver? loll Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo........your bang on the money Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

come to liverpool amd see rush hour on the strand going past the liver buildings and to be honest everywhere, yellow boxes filled up with cars, where you shouldnt stop. tunnels are an artform. from 2 lanes then a slip road making 4 lanes that are instantly up to 8 lanes that then merge again into either 2 or 3 lanes within 100 meters. scary as crap in a car, try a bike Very Happy

the strand is a massive building site so everyone is darting down the either 2 or 3 lanes then all of a sudden they have decided to alter which 2 lanes you can use so you can expect the odd car to dart into the 2 yard gap you left infront and lorries trying to get into the 4 yard gap whilst bikes are wizzing down the middle trying not to die.


I used to think rush hour in sheffield was leathal till I moved here. 10 miles of hell to work and 10 miles back. I get medals from my insurance company for every month I havnt claimed. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh as for option 2

I do that on a friday evening at the end of the M67 towards glossop as the que is about 1 mile long and not moving in the left hand lane, I shoot up the right, do a lap of the roundabout and then join the que. theres nothing illegal or dangerous in that.
There is of course the people who do the smae thing up untill 1/3 of the way round they dart in and squeese into a gap thats not there and whilst doing so they block the route round. Thats illegal and dangerous.

I dont think roundabouts are a problem at all, its how people use them like you said and knowing what lane to be in to come off at certain junctions, going all the way around instead of cutting some one up when you realise your in the wrong lane or even taking the direct route cutting into the wrong lane whilst going straight on usually. White vans are a good one for that
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: Roundabouts - where do I send this letter? Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
1. Queuing across a roundabout - when the exit is not clear, people seem to ignore the fact that you must give way to the vehicle on your right. People join a roundabout just to occupy a space, and thus get in the 'queue'.


Since you could die of old age waiting for a gap, I'll happily "join the roundabout just to occupy a space". The alternative is often sitting there until rush hour is over.

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2. Taking advantage of the 'give way' rule, and approaching a roundabout in the right hand lane, continuing for a 'lap' of the roundabout and eventually turning left.


Would be dumb not to.

If you're not cut out for today's traffic, maybe you should hand your licence back to the DVLA...

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PostPosted: 22:15 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah thanks for the opinions on the content lads, all avoiding the question of course..... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 06 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was the question?
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