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JonE
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: A rather long rant/Another tale of buying rubbish from eBay! Reply with quote

Hi All

A few months ago I purchased my first bike a Kawasaki KH125 from ebay without seeing it first (I know a silly thing to do Embarassed ) but it had just passed an MOT so I assumed there couldn't be any major problems (silly me again).

The first problem was a rather large oil leak which was obviously not mentioned in the advert, I sorted that and thought everything was ok until the first time I went out on the bike and it broke down as I was leaving the petrol station I should have contacted the seller then but as it was an old bike I expected a few problems and didn't mind getting my hands dirty to sort them out.

I took the carb off and gave it a good clean and the bike started so I just put it down to dragging some crap out of the tank into the carb, I then took the bike for a spin and noticed the speedo wasn't working so parked it up again until I had time to sort that out which I did a couple of weeks ago.

Then I went to use the bike and it started aah a sigh of relief (but only for about 30 seconds) as it stopped and has refused to start since. I went to have a look at it today to try and get it stared again and noticed that the chain was bloody loose so thought I'd tighten it while I had the tools out only to find that one of the chain adjusters has sheared off.

I have finally contacted the seller as I should have done a couple of months ago, but I very much doubt I will hear back from him.

The problem is with my optimism and trying to sort things out myself and the fact I had to do my CBT etc before using the bike enough time hs now passed that the transaction has disappeared from "my ebay" so I can't leave negative feedback/start a dispute.

I'm guessing the bike shouldn't have passed an MOT with a speedo that didn't work and a missing/broken chain adjuster?

Rant over.

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Ste
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did you pay for it?

The speedo isn't tested in an MOT.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've left it a couple of months, who's to say the faults/bodges haven't developed during your ownership?

Speedo isn't an MOT item, and if the chain wasn't flapping about like a whore's knicker elastic that wouldn't have been a problem for the MOT either.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The speedo isn't an MOT item - but the chain adjuster is!

I don't know why you bothered contacting the seller two months down the line. I'd just get on with putting the bike straight.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm selling some wheels, including a decent set of tyres, that I no longer need. I've had one guy ask if I want to swap for the same set of wheels (except his aren't painted). This is even though I've declared on the advert that I no longer need them Smile
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick replies.

Ste wrote:
How much did you pay for it?


£340

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and if the chain wasn't flapping about like a whore's knicker elastic that wouldn't have been a problem for the MOT either.


Theres at least 50mm of movement there, the manual states 10~20mm.



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I don't know why you bothered contacting the seller two months down the line. I'd just get on with putting the bike straight.


Why not? I know I'm not going to get my money back but having a rant at him might make me feel a bit better. The bike has let me down so many times now I don't think I'd have any confidence in it anyway so I think I will just accept it as one of life's lessons and sell the bike as spares/repairs and take the loss in my stride.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, just noticed this post minutes after stopping myself from bidding on my first bike (a CG), which I also would not have seen in the flesh had I done so.

But after looking into the seller's transaction history, I noticed that he appeared to have bought a 2nd hand helmet, stuck some stickers on it, and is now selling it for (currently...auction still going) 30 quid more than he bought it for. I'm not sure if that's something to worry about, but it was enough to put me off.

He also had to buy a clutch lever just after he himself had bought it (according to the check I did online) so who knows. Anyway, probably just being paranoid, but I don't have the money to waste.

So thanks for this thread, it made me even more sure Smile
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

£340 for a learner legal bike is a 'bargain' in ebay terms. Take a good look around at what else is available and tell me you've done bad out of the sale. The faults you have mentioned are minor and might cost what, £30 max to sort out?

If you had spent £800 and had the same problems then kudos to you for whinging, as it is you've gone for the bottom of the price range, and guess what, you get what you pay for.

Think of it as a crash course in bike maintenance and you'll end up as a better man for it.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with marki on this one.

All those problems are minor cheap things that are relatively easy to fix.

340 quid for an mot'd bike is pretty awesome imo. It's not as if you need a speedo anyway. Cool
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsopo wrote:
Wow, just noticed this post minutes after stopping myself from bidding on my first bike (a CG), which I also would not have seen in the flesh had I done so.

i bought my first bike off ebay without seeing it first.

spoke to the guy on the phone a number of times to get a feel of what type of person he was, made sure it was clear that after the auction if the bike didnt meet with the standards advertised i wouldnt buy it. (you can get out of the ebay bidding contracts if the item isnt as described)

went down there, a m8 test rode it as i didnt have my licence at that time, everything fine and shes been with me ever since (albeit as a trackbike now but still)

there are bad experiences and there are good ones, just gotta be careful and at some point.. take a risk.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsopo wrote:


He also had to buy a clutch lever just after he himself had bought it (according to the check I did online) so who knows. Anyway, probably just being paranoid, but I don't have the money to waste.



OMG!

Shocked

I'd be extremely weary of buying a bike that's had it's clutch lever replaced as well!

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PostPosted: 11:50 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsopo wrote:
Wow, just noticed this post minutes after stopping myself from bidding on my first bike (a CG), which I also would not have seen in the flesh had I done so.

But after looking into the seller's transaction history, I noticed that he appeared to have bought a 2nd hand helmet, stuck some stickers on it, and is now selling it for (currently...auction still going) 30 quid more than he bought it for. I'm not sure if that's something to worry about, but it was enough to put me off.


So there are mugs out there that will bid on anything...... Not his fault people have bid more than he bought it for, or is a reflection on him.

I would guess plenty of people have bought and then resold at a profit.....
Its called making a living Laughing

As to bidding on a bike you have not seen. I hope you have asked plenty of questions.

OP.
MOT means nothing.
Oil leak. If it was that bad, you should have noticed when you picked the bike up.
So you did not notice the speedo, not working on the way to the garage then...

Seems you have had more problems AFTER you took it to bits..... Which you can hardly blame the seller for...

I have to wonder if it not running after filling up, was you forgot to turn the fuel tap on.... You would not be the 1st or the last to do that.....
Only noticed after taking the bike to bits... Opps have you forgot to connect the cable up, or knocked something out.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


So there are mugs out there that will bid on anything...... Not his fault people have bid more than he bought it for, or is a reflection on him.

I would guess plenty of people have bought and then resold at a profit.....
Its called making a living Laughing

As to bidding on a bike you have not seen. I hope you have asked plenty of questions.


Well technically, no, of course there's nothing wrong with buying something and then selling it on for a profit, it was just the way it was done with that helmet that bothered me.

For all I know, the bike could have been in rubbish condition and he could have just slapped some stickers on that too. Hell, I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to bikes, but although I really wanted that one, there was reasonable doubt IMO. So I left it.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason people are disappointed with bikes they buy on ebay is their own expectation. If you realised (as most would) that a bike for £340 wouldn't be perfect, then you'd be happy. However, you expected a 15-20 year old two stroke motorcycle that you bought for significantly less than £500 to be perfect, and it isn't.

I suggest you deal with it. If you had paid £1000 or even £500 then if I were you I'd be a bit miffed. However, I would not contact the seller, and I wouldn't complain. Do you know why? Because you didn't look at the bike before you bought it.

The fact that you didn't even look at the bike means you wouldn't be able to complain even if it was a huge pile of rust. As it is you could make your money back by breaking it quite easily, and as such I'd man up, and sort the bike out myself.

Dammit there are some fools around these days!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously OP you've made me really angry. You really are a fool. I'm kinda tempted to use stronger language than that TBH.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonE wrote:


Why not? I know I'm not going to get my money back but having a rant at him might make me feel a bit better. The bike has let me down so many times now I don't think I'd have any confidence in it anyway so I think I will just accept it as one of life's lessons and sell the bike as spares/repairs and take the loss in my stride.


Why not? Because its your fucking fault! You DIDN'T LOOK AT THE BIKE BEFORE PURCHASING. It has a couple of MINOR issues for an ancient two stroke commuter. It actually sounds like its in bloody good condition all things considered. Jeez.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Marj, deep breaths, step away from the keyboard...

Smile
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Ok Marj, deep breaths, step away from the keyboard...

Smile


+1... lol its like he just hit your trigger lol Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously OP you've made me really angry. You really are a fool. I'm kinda tempted to use stronger language than that TBH.


I'm terribly sorry that my post has made you so angry.

Cheers

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got a KH125 which needs a head gasket...you can have for £150 Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Ok Marj, deep breaths, step away from the keyboard...

Smile


Sorry, I just think about all the cheap bikes I've bought over the years. If I had have complained to the seller at every minor issue I've come across I think I'd have driven myself and the sellers crazy.

For example, I bought an MZ for £300. The kickstart spring was broken. The primary drive oil seal was split. The head gasket was leaking. The carb needle was ridged and the front brake was low on fluid, but I went into my garage and I fixed all of the issues for pennies.

Same with the RD350. Its had the engine rebuilt twice now, and when I bought it the powervalves were in backwards. Did I complain? No, because I knew despite the issues I had a running RD350 for £500, and it was bound to not be perfect.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Ive got a KH125 which needs a head gasket...you can have for £150 Very Happy


Ill have it Laughing
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