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 craigie b Citizen Smith

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 Posted: 14:24 - 28 Jan 2008 Post subject: Singapore Laws. Draconian or Just? |
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After returning from Singapore I have been left pondering the regulation that the government imposes on the people. A few examples....
| Quote: | Following are some of the laws being enforced in Singapore which visitors should be aware of.
Smoking
Smoking is not allowed in public service vehicles, museums, libraries, lifts, theaters, cinemas, air-conditioned restaurants, hair salons, supermarkets, department stores, and government offices. Offenders can be fined up to S$1,000. While it is an offense to smoke in air-conditioned eating places, smoking is allowed in air-conditioned pubs, discos, karaoke bars, and nightspots.
Spitting
Spitting in public places is an offense subject to a fine of S$1,000 for first-time offenders and S$2,000 for repeat offenders.
Toilets
In Singapore, it is an offense not to flush public toilets after use. Those convicted face a fine of up to S$150 for the first offense, S$500 for the second offense, and S$1,000 for subsequent offenses.
Drugs
Trafficking, manufacturing, importing or exporting more than 15 grams of heroin, 30g of morphine, 30g of cocaine, 500g of cannabis, 200g of cannabis resin and 1.2 kg of opium carries the death penalty if convicted. Possession of such quantities is deemed as prima facie evidence of trafficking. Persons convicted of unauthorized traffic in the following drugs in the respective quantities face imprisonment of 20-30 years, and 15 strokes of the cane.
* Opium – Not less than 800g and not more than 1,200g
* Heroin – Not less than 10g and not more than 15g
* Cannabis – Not less than 330g and not more than 500g
* Morphine & cocaine – Not less than 20g and not more than 30g
* Cannabis resin – Not less than 130g and not more than 200g
Unauthorized traffic in controlled drugs, other than those specified above, carries a minimum sentence of 2 years' imprisonment and 2 strokes of the cane, and a maximum sentence of 20 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes of the cane. For unauthorized consumption, there is a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment or fine of S$20,000 or both.
Gambling
Charity draws, Toto and Singapore Sweep lotteries, and on-course betting on horse races at the Singapore Turf Club are the only authorized forms of gambling in Singapore. All other gambling activities are illegal.
Jaywalking
Pedestrians crossing a road within 50 meters of a pedestrian crossing risk paying a S$50 fine.
Littering
Any person convicted of littering faces a fine of up to S$1,000 for the first offense. Repeat offenders may be fined S$2,000, and made to do community service (cleaning public places). |
Whilst there it is hard not to notice the regulation in action. From the Gurhka's prowling through the airport to the customs checking for tax free cigarettes, the government intervention on everyday life is astounding.
However, the infrastructure and the city is nothing short of outstanding. Everything is done to the highest standard. From the airlines (which are the best in Asia IMO), to the taxis to the public transport, everything runs smoothly and brilliantly. The streets are unbelievably clean and I've never felt safer in any country. There are direct visible positives to this level of regulation.
The following article is by the ex PM who forged modern Singapore...
https://www.zimbio.com/Prime+Minister+Lee+Hsien+Loong/articles/2/Modern+Singapore+Creator+Alert+Perils
So I am left now thinking, is regulation, if done well, with the good of the nation as its real goal rather than the lining of a MP's pocket, is it a good thing?
Singapore shows that it works to the benefit of the nation and they have achieved a standard of excellence beyond all measure. I could not see it working in the UK but half of me thinks of the fucking wasters who could do with being dragged by the government instead of being pandered to.
What do you guys think? |
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its a totalitarian state which has traded most of its freedom,
I recall other laws include
no walking around in your home nude as its considered porn
no BJs lest you actually have a shag,
etc etc
but they do beat up their wrong doers and have horrible prison conditions.
Depends what you want really in that I'd rather have more freedom than 1000s of rules like that, nobody complains cus its always been like that,
its how in 1984 the proles don't complain except the old one he meets in a pub and winston buys a litre of beer for, its always been like that many have no comparative , bit like North Korea with TV jammers and countrywide poverty and controlled movement of people people know no different, obviously singaporeans can move about but similar principle. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Pretty much the same as in this country, apart form the toliet flushing and Jaywalking....
Time we started to crack down on the muppets who think its fine just to wander accross the road any old how.
Something to be said for zero tolerance, stamp on the small and petty stuff, which while not dangerous is unsightly such as littering and spitting and these people will think twice about moving up to more serious stuff. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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| iooi wrote: | Pretty much the same as in this country, apart form the toliet flushing and Jaywalking....
Time we started to crack down on the muppets who think its fine just to wander accross the road any old how.
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I bet you they don't, because round here it is almost exclusively chaps and chappettes who ain't from around 'ere.
Do you remember that DJ who got disciplined for complaining about Black people jumping in the road with dark clothing on, because they're hard to see?
She wasn't being racist, she was describing my daily commute.
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Something to be said for zero tolerance, stamp on the small and petty stuff, which while not dangerous is unsightly such as littering and spitting and these people will think twice about moving up to more serious stuff. |
Spitting is extremely dangerous, as it spreads all sorts of diseases.
It's also potentially very dangerous for little teenagers trying to act hard, whose spit only just misses Mister James' trainers as he's walking back from the gym. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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 Posted: 19:57 - 28 Jan 2008 Post subject: Re: Singapore Laws. Draconian or Just? |
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| craigie b wrote: |
However, the infrastructure and the city is nothing short of outstanding. Everything is done to the highest standard. From the airlines (which are the best in Asia IMO), to the taxis to the public transport, everything runs smoothly and brilliantly. The streets are unbelievably clean and I've never felt safer in any country. There are direct visible positives to this level of regulation.
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the key problem, is (excuse my other reply it was 13:29 I had less than a minute to type it out, you are comparing apples with oranges, city states compared to countries are fundamentally different.
With mass centralisation of people are major efficiencies, ie you have all the cops , hospitals, fire service, judicary in one place. And thus there is less need for duplication, and thus more efficient,
You can build mass transit systems and virtually guarentee that they will be used due to centralisation of people , you need less roads etc and due to centralisation other ancillaries like sewage electricity , phone lines etc are centralised. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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It's also potentially very dangerous for little teenagers trying to act hard, whose spit only just misses Mister James' trainers as he's walking back from the gym. |
The thing is Mister James if you love it so much why don't YOU go live there? , rather than inflicting your totalitarian ideals upon the rest of us who are content with the liberty vs security arrangements currently. Considering BCF talks about religion and politics BCF will be freed up.
| Mister James wrote: | I can't comment on the enforcement of them, but I have no issue with any of those laws. People can harp on about "But what if it were biking that was banned" and the like, but Jaywalking, Smoking and Spitting all affect me negatively every day, and I applaud a country that does something about them. |
The thing is what annoys you annoys others, and what pleases you annoys others, and thus it fits in fine with my emigration is NOT the ANSWER posts it is exchanging one set of problems and circumstance for another.
Excuse me but I lost me train of thought for a moment,
But it seems to be based on a climate of fearism , I fear that the government will do this therefore I will not do it,
Rather than say the old outdated altruistisc cause mentality which is ruined by the fact that people are egoistic, ie a positive thing rather than negative,
it would be interesting with a parrallel universe if all these fines etc were repealed for one week and see what'd happen. But since we don't have a parrallel universe , all we can do is let totalitarian states stay as they are and prevent our own states from becoming such things. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Up at 05:30 every morning.
Cold showers with carbol-ache soap.
Jaggety arse woolen trousers and shirts.
Hard soled hob nail boots.
Porrige (With Salt No Milk).
No TV.
Bed at 19:00 Half hour after work finishes. (It's been dark for two and a half hours.)
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| Walloper wrote: | Up at 05:30 every morning.
Cold showers with carbol-ache soap.
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Porrige (With Salt No Milk).
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Bed at 19:00 Half hour after work finishes. (It's been dark for two and a half hours.)
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I love the way you try to pretend that you don't drink a bottle of whisky before going to bed  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 68 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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