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| SoND |
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 SoND World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 07:47 - 15 Feb 2008 Post subject: Who is more of a threat to us? |
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Terrorists or our government?
Day by day I keep believing in these terrorists less and less so it's quite alarming to see how many of our rights and liberties are being taken away from us in the name of our safety, it doesn't add up and I'm pretty sick of it. No terrorist threat but more laws...  |
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Remember this: Tyranny always comes to your door in a uniform.
Governments have been responsible for over 200 million deaths last century. Terrorist related deaths are in the thousands. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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A drive by reply as I have to go out, its the government ,
politics of fear , a docu drama has some interesting theories about this.
precis:
politicians in the past gave visions of a better life in the future, and used this to control people (be it god, afterlife or whatever) ,
they failed,
and thus have turned to fearism to control the masses and scaring people = more compliance, thus in the 70s-80s they had the USSR, it fell so they had to invent another boogey man to "save" us from.
People who are not afraid will probably be the first ones sent to the death camps, ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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I break the law everyday, multiple times, my pleasure activities still continue, albeit illegal but I don’t care, I’m not going to prison or being executed for it.
If a bomb went off in my town because some mad paki hates us, then id say terrorists.
The government is just highly irritating. ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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Terrorists threaten, governments do. I wold personally be afraid of the idiots that are in charge that a man with a towel on his head shouting "I Keeel you"  ____________________ All the breast.
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The reason Terrorists are about is Government ... thus the most dangerous is Government ____________________ Bike - '98 Yamaha YZF600 Thundercat Pics
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Gordon Brown and Tony Blair would have made Stalin so proud. ____________________ Dark Lord Of Custard
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Who doesn't believe our owners are criminals and need to be replaced and punished? |
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I can say both.
Because both of them make our lives more miserable. They create problems and diversity to everyone else. ____________________ Push that pedal...
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Sorry guys, but some of the comments coming out here are ridiculous.
Terrorism
Firstly, 'terrorism' is just a label to scare people by the media. Secondly, 'terrorists' are no more than murderers and criminals, like anyone else in our society who decides to kill other human beings. Labeling them 'terrorists' gives them some sort of tiny justification and makes the cycle spin.
For example, Al-Queda isn't an entity, it's an ideology - militant ideology, which is dangerous. Without necessary protection from the Government, they'd be far more dangerous.
That said, the danger posed by fanatical islamic ideology parallels that of the common thug/criminal ideology - that of going out and mugging/battering people on a Saturday night is acceptable. Both are driven by close-minded bigotry and hatred.
Government
To the comment: "The UK government are terrorists". Well, that's just ridiculous.
The Government are representative of us and as part of the electorate we all have the responsibility to make sure this is done properly - by protesting, voting or entering politics yourself. Being a lazy bastard, sat at your computer makes you no better than the government itself.
If something peeves you off, make sure your voice is heard. ____________________ The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. |
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| Jon B wrote: | You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.
An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily.
Terrorism has always been around, but it's not very well known about and thus hard to eradicate.
I'm also rather more scared about being blown up in a bus, than not being allowed to smoke in a pub. |
Wow...
To start with, if we, as the british empire, and now under 'labour' dident fuck around with this new crusading nonsense no one would have to worry about getting blown up by terrorists, we made ourselves a target...
Secondly as hetz says, the chances of getting blown up by a terrorist are so remote i do not give it any second thought, as a biker i have far more pressing threats on my life to be concerned with... But you obveously subscribe to the media/government induced comatosis of fear Jon i'll leave you to it.
Also the one comment that really worried me for the future of this country was
'An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily. "
Umm... No... already our HARD fought civil liberties are being taken away, and its a far harder to claw back rights than it is too loose them, all the government needs to do is convinve us we are in a war situation (and when i say we, i mean you and me, sitting in urban/suburban england using our computers, riding our bikes etc) and we will grant them whatever they want...
40 Days without trial? no problemo, oh you want another 20 days... well okay, they are baaad terrorists after all. Come to think of it, why dont we do away with due process and the right to a fair trail completely, i mean these things are overrated anyway... right?...
I worry for the future of this country, but then again i dont, because as soon as possible i will be fucking off to canada, and once me and my loved ones are gone they can drop a bomb on the piece of shit....
Have you read George Orwell's 1984 Jon B?, if not give it a go... |
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| Jon B wrote: | You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.
An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily.
Terrorism has always been around, but it's not very well known about and thus hard to eradicate.
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So then pray tell how do we do it? , by voting? , which doens't work as the next lot renege on their promises, infact Gordo's lawyer recently said that pledges and manifesto promises meant nothing , as they are not subject to legitimate expectation, (this was when a UKIP fellow challenged Brown's pledge about a referendum on the EU).
Thus anything they say means nothing, pretty much like the we won't increase taxes and NI went up +1%.
Civil disobedience? --> anti terror laws
Witholding taxes -> no taxation without representation? , won't wotk here PAYE and goods taxes mean than you pay the majority of your taxes before you even see your pay cheque.
You also forget about something called frog soup. Put a frog in a boiling pan of water it'll jump out immediately , put it in a pan of cold water and slowly heat it up and the frog will stay and boil to death.
Thus Zanulabour moves slowly almost invisibly and implements these totalitarian laws very slowly, such that people do not notice.
Hence finger prints + DNA, pre 97, convicted of crime only , post 99 , arrested and charged post 2002 if you get arrested/stopped by a cop.
If Zanulabour over night revealed their true intentions, ie a totalitarian state where dissidents are executed instantly where they and their families are kept in luxury for life while the population are not allowed to drive and are only allowed a potato a day to live on, huge death camps and taxes going straight into their pockets.
There would be a huge rebellion, which would be crushed since the UK population is mostly unarmed , hell even with the US's 9th Amendment where citizens are allowed semi automatic weapons you think a hand gun would work against uncle sam's tanks and gunships? (see Waco siege).
And thus it is moved slowly and most people think there is no problem until it directly affects themselves. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 7 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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