Sold my bike, and dropped my lid

[Noxious89123]

So my first love, the tango'd CBR125 is gone. Sold for £1200 to East Midlands Superbikes on Alfretton road in Derby. Did something retarded when i arrived there. Got off the bike and put my lid on the pillion sat. Realised i cant take my tank abg off with the steering lock on (i pinches the headstock strap) so unlocked it and twisted the bars straight. The second i did it i realised my mistake and just grimaced in expectation of the *crack*. Got a tiyn scratch right at the bottom of my black visor, but its right out the way, so it's ok. Slight damage to th paint on the top of my lid, slightly to the RH side of the vent.

It's an Arai Chaser that cost me £325 I dunno if i should replace it or not. Part of me think's i should, because you can't be sure of the damage, but it didn't even chip any paint off, so it couldn't of hit that hard, could it? ( ) My gf told me i must replace it, else if i fall off my brains will end up smeared down the road. I'll likely do as she says, coz she has the boobies...

What do you guys reckon? (Always liked the Corsair... Hmm )
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'53 Ford Ka 1.3 ~ '03 Vauxhall Astra SRi 1.8 ~ '52 Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.2 ~ '53 Vauxhall Astra GSi

[repiV]

It won't have been damaged from falling off the bike. The damage you need to be concerned about (compression of the liner) only occurs when there is something (ie. your head) inside the helmet and it takes an impact. Of course there may be exceptions like if you fired it out of a cannon, but from falling off your pillion seat it will be fine.

If you're still unsure, you can send it back to Arai and they will X-ray it for you. I did the same with my Chaser after a 60mph crash and the integrity of the helmet was completely unaffected despite scuffs over the lid. I gave it to the guys at HG to send away and it took about a week I think.

[Noxious89123]

I did tink about the X-ray thing, but wasn't sure of the details of how i'd go about it. Is it a free service? There's also th problem that i can't go a week without being able to ride my bike
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'06 Honda CBR125RW-6 ~ '00 Honda CBR600F-Y ~ '07 Honda CBR600RR-7 ~ Bikeless
'53 Ford Ka 1.3 ~ '03 Vauxhall Astra SRi 1.8 ~ '52 Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.2 ~ '53 Vauxhall Astra GSi

[repiV]

It was free for me...but it's possible that's because Hein Gericke are nice people and pay for it. Where did you buy it from? You're probably best off asking them, they should be able to take care of it for you.

If you can't face not riding for a week, then I just wouldn't worry about it. It won't be damaged, and it's certainly not worth buying a new lid for. Depends what you value more - a week or total peace of mind.

[Noxious89123]

I bought it from HG Leicester. Now i've got some £££ in my pocket from my old bike, i'll be buying a Bagster tank bag to go with the tank cover, so will ask about my lid when i go in there.

I'm quite friendly with the staff, and the guy that sold me the lid says he remembers me from the very first time i went in there

Hope the gf doesn't go on about it too much. Might have to punch her in the tits?
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'06 Honda CBR125RW-6 ~ '00 Honda CBR600F-Y ~ '07 Honda CBR600RR-7 ~ Bikeless
'53 Ford Ka 1.3 ~ '03 Vauxhall Astra SRi 1.8 ~ '52 Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.2 ~ '53 Vauxhall Astra GSi

[repiV]

Yeah, punch her in the tits and then point out how vulnerable she is without a pristine Arai bra with fibreglass construction.

Smoke and mirrors, see.

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Contact Phoenixw (google it) and they can check your helmet over for the cost of postage which is about £15-20. Chances are the helmnet is fine though.

[Nixon]

as you say you brought it from HG what you need to do is take it back to them with the blue arai service card (presuming they filled one out for you) and say that you have dropped it and would like for phoenix to give it the once over, There will be no charge for pheonix to look at it as that is part of the arai customer services. They may want to charge you for postage to phoenix though which is understandable.

when pheonix recieve it they will not X Ray it as A) X rays are verry expensive and B) will show them absolutuly nothing as the outer shell is going to be denser than the liner any way.

but what they will do is strip the helmet down to the inner lining, and compare certain properties (used to know them but forgot now ) of the non suspected crash and the suspected crash areas.

Personaly mate i would get it done ASAP as helemts have been writen off by phoenix becuase the owner had been carrying it by the chin bar for 3 years and some of the absorbing material had been worn out, so a fall from your bike could do some sort of damage.

and think about it if the helmet is not capable of withstanding a fall from the bike how will it protect you if you fall off at a stand still?



in the mean time buy yourself an RX7 (or and AGV S4 if you want to be 2 stars safer ) get the chaser checked out and if it comes back all clear give it to the misses

[Rockhopper]

If its knackered after dropping a few feet off your bike what chance would you have in a 30 mph accident!

Touch up the scratch with felt pen and keep on riding.

[Kal]

A helmet is designed to be a one shot item, get it checked out to make sure it hasn't shot its bolt.

Didn't you have another lid somewhere Nox?
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[chris-red]

It should be fine as previously said a helmet onl really gets damaged when they're is lot more momentum in the fall, i.e. weight in it.
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[Noxious89123]

Nope, no spare lid.

Went down to HG today to ask them abou getting it checked out (and to have a good chinwag with some fellow bikes in the sunshine )

I showed it to them and they said straight away "Is that it? it'll be fine". Apparently they've had quite a few people with really bashed up lids send them off, and they come back with a clean bill of health!

I already knew this really, but it's just reassuring to hear it from someone who deals with that sort of hing on a regular basis. Thanks for all the comments guys .
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'53 Ford Ka 1.3 ~ '03 Vauxhall Astra SRi 1.8 ~ '52 Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.2 ~ '53 Vauxhall Astra GSi

[Nixon]

on your head be it - literally lol

as i mentioned before i have seen helmets be writen off because of the way the owner was holding it, and as HG mentioned some have been spared which are totaly battered, it all depends but i personaly think you should have it checked over, but its your choice at the end of the day.

and a helmet is designed to absorb impact and deform the EPS liner, so a slow impact will deform a small amount of the liner and a big impact will deform a large ammount of liner, either way the properties of that liner can not be replaced and it may be that small ammount you need if you come off again

But its your call

[repiV]

How could dropping a helmet deform the EPS liner? There's no impact to absorb as there is no head inside the helmet to get propelled into the liner upon impact. The liner absorbs the impact of the head upon the shell, not the impact of the shell upon an external force.

The liner isn't going to be affected because the shell took a bit of a knock. Helmets that have deformed over years from being held incorrectly over the years are a different matter because pressure is being exerted on the inside of the helmet.

[Rockhopper]

Well if you are not going to use it and its a size 59 then send it to me and i'll glady use it every day without the slightest worry.

Oh and i like to live dangerously, i get punctures repaired in my Z rated tyres as well...

[Nixon]

so your saying i could take a cricket bat to you stood still with a helmet on your head and your helemt would take minimal damage as your head is not asserting a great ammount of pressure on the lining? or put it on the floor and hit it and will suffer no damage?

so if energy hitting the outside is not absorbed then it would need to be deflected? so why doesn't a helmet bounce 3 feet into the air and crack? because the energy is absorbed into some of the EPS lining, it works from both directions

[St0rmer66]

[Nixon]

ok this is just going round in cirles now so lets call it a day! you think what you want to think and i will think what i want to think, end of!

now let noxious make his own descision!

[St0rmer66]

[Nixon]

[5v3d3b0]

I agree Nix...
It's like saying an eggshell won't break if you drop it cause there isn't any egg in it.
Helmets are designed to take ONE impact to a certain area (highly improbable to experience multiple significant IMPACTS (not abrasions) on the same spot of the head.) This is different to car helmets because due to being strapped in the seat it's more probable that you hit your head several times in the same spot.
A drop might not break you helmet open, and there might be no visible damage, but the internal structure (fibres in this case) will break almost definately. If it's a small drop then very few break, but the helmet has been weakened in that spot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cheap plastic helmets are much less susceptible to damage from a small drop as they don't have fibres that break. However they are less impact resistant in a crash.

Don't get me wrong. I've dropped mine easily 5-10 times and I'm not replacing it! If I was a millionaire then sure, but I'm 18, so no. Depends if you feel safe or not. If it affects your confidence then change it cause that would really suck

[repiV]

[Noxious89123]

Things don't always have to break to dissipate energy.

The lid did bounce a good couple of inches off the floor when it dropped, and then proceeded to roll away.
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'53 Ford Ka 1.3 ~ '03 Vauxhall Astra SRi 1.8 ~ '52 Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.2 ~ '53 Vauxhall Astra GSi

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