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kawashima
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

Our fab banned us to commute on bike who has both car and bike. They just want to decrease industrial accidents. Is it same in UK that injury at commuting lead to industrial accident?
Stupid rider on bicycle slipped, rider on scooter dropped into a ditch, factory manager thought "2 wheels are dangerous", they banned.
I enjoyed commuting on my bike on sunny day but I can't do it from now.
Anyone has such experience?
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:

Anyone has such experience?


A large Engineering practice here in Blighty has recently advised all it's staff to not use bicycles or motorcycles to get to work as they are considered dangerous, whilst placing signs up on every staircase saying "Hold handrail at all times".

They had an e-mail come round a few months ago with a map. On it was instructions on how to safely cross the road that building is situated next to...

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had anything like that here... although what with working at a bike shop, it would be quite ironic Laughing

However, we have got some lovely "Dead Slow!" signs around the carpark... Its both rediculous and pointless, how slow is dead slow? I would imagine dead to mean the end, nothing... thus the carpark is kind of useless if people are requested to drive through it at the speed of death... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
Our fab banned us to commute on bike who has both car and bike.

That's shocking! The government hasn't done anything like that here, nor could they ever hope to get away with it. If an individual company did that, I doubt it would stand up in court.

Time to sell your car, perhaps, Kawashima-san? Or do you still need it for the winter weather?
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my boss banned me from commuting on my bike it'd be a short answer. Two words in fact, one of which is 'off'

I think it's just part and parcel of the compensation culture. An employee slips and if the employer isn't 100% covered with signs etc then its a big pay out.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thus the carpark is kind of useless if people are requested to drive through it at the speed of death...


speed of death? does that mean you have to go full throttle/ give it death in the car park Twisted Evil

kawashima What happens if your car breaks down or is stolen? do you then have to walk to work or does this bike ban only count if you have alternative transport?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

prawny1 wrote:
kawashima What happens if your car breaks down or is stolen? do you then have to walk to work or does this bike ban only count if you have alternative transport?

I think they request me to renounce car parking permit to issue bike parking permit cause they said they won't issue both to one person.

Paivi-san, I can't sell my car. I'm sunny only rider.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
kawashima wrote:

Anyone has such experience?


A large Engineering practice here in Blighty has recently advised all it's staff to not use bicycles or motorcycles to get to work as they are considered dangerous, whilst placing signs up on every staircase saying "Hold handrail at all times".

They had an e-mail come round a few months ago with a map. On it was instructions on how to safely cross the road that building is situated next to...

Confused

Wow they do nearly same thing to us too.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way i would let an employer dictate my travel methods would be if i am being paid for my commute.

If i was required to travel during the work day i wouldn't use my own vehicle anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They threaten us not to cause any accident...
If any of us once cause accident (any.. even without any injury..)
whole department members of him must stand in the line at entrance at factory form early morning saying"Good morning! Safety driving!" for one month.. even senior manager must do this so... It's so terrible after that...
This is the terrorism, a reign of terror... NOOOOO
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
If any of us once cause accident (any.. even without any injury..) whole department members of him must stand in the line at entrance at factory form early morning saying"Good morning! Safety driving!" for one month.. even senior manager must do this so...

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PostPosted: 12:46 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tell my work to find someone else, or just park round the corner and pretend to like wearing leathers and a helmet on the walk in, just to be extra safe.

The only remotely silly thing like that at work was when I got told off for not having the proper training to refill the water cooler. I laughed at him because I thought he was joking, apparantly he wasn't Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only a matter of time before they get us here - they'll make Flip & I push our bikes in

I can wait to see what they make of mine when the sidecar goes on - its no longer a powered 2 wheeler Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

work said i couldnt use my bikes after 3 months on the sick from a bike accident,told them where to get off....so then they said they wouldnt pay me sick if i had another accident.....union took that up for me and needless to say i can still use my bike.

there is no way they can discriminate in that way,without banning others from sporting injuries etc.

they dont ban one of our drivers from eating!!! but they should seeing as he is 26 stone and always off with a bad back.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima

Would it be possible for you to use another carpark (not company carpark) for days that you feel like riding your motorcycle? In britain most carparks allow motorcycles free parking is it the same where you are?.

It seems a little silly to issue seperate permits for cars and motorcycles as you can only use one or the other at any given time.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
Our fab banned us to commute on bike who has both car and bike.


Speak to MAG - I seem to remember they quite like naming & shaming employers that do this
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

fjrat wrote:
kawashima wrote:
Our fab banned us to commute on bike who has both car and bike.


Speak to MAG - I seem to remember they quite like naming & shaming employers that do this


Not sure they have a presence in Japan. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dave1rs wrote:
there is no way they can discriminate in that way,without banning others from sporting injuries etc.

At my last job, my boss sent a guy from another department to hospital after a mistimed five-a-side tackle. He dislocated this poor guys both shoulders and ruptured his hamstring. The guy was off sick for about three months.

My boss is still in the team, so if the company lets him play, we can surely commute by bike.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Method wrote:

However, we have got some lovely "Dead Slow!" signs around the carpark...


So has our local funeral parlour. Always makes me smile Smile
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW my company have no problem at all with me leaving my company vehicle at home and using my own bike for commuting. They even pay for the tyres and fuel.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: ban on bike commuting Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
Our fab banned us to commute on bike who has both car and bike. They just want to decrease industrial accidents. Is it same in UK that injury at commuting lead to industrial accident?
Stupid rider on bicycle slipped, rider on scooter dropped into a ditch, factory manager thought "2 wheels are dangerous", they banned.
I enjoyed commuting on my bike on sunny day but I can't do it from now.
Anyone has such experience?


Why don't you tell your manager to mind his own fvcking business?

Yeah, I know, it's The Japanese Way. But really, you chaps need to take a stand against that kind of nazi bvllshit.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would ask round and see how many car drivers have had bumps.... Then take that to the manager and say well if you are banning 2 wheels, what about 4.....

Unless they are paying for your transport to work, they can't tell you how to get there.
I would get in touch with all your local rags and say how unenvironmentally friendly your employer is, as they are forcing people to use there cars to get to work... Add your local MP in to that as well.
I'm sure they will soon back down.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 10 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
They threaten us not to cause any accident...
If any of us once cause accident (any.. even without any injury..)
whole department members of him must stand in the line at entrance at factory form early morning saying"Good morning! Safety driving!" for one month.. even senior manager must do this so... It's so terrible after that...
This is the terrorism, a reign of terror... NOOOOO



find another job? , you aren't a "サラリーマン" (Sararīman) are you? I proof read Tina's PhD once and she had gone to Nagoya tech or something to do research , it effectively stated that Saraiman were often kicked out the company at an average age of 45 , with barely any pension and zero prospects due to the company forcing them down a very narrow path and niche set of skills.

If you live near Nagoya why not go see an old mucker of mine Alex or if you live near Tochigi , I know another guy there too, both use European working techniques, ie fairly laid back , and unlike working for a Japanese corporation you don't have to sell your soul.

Or come to HK , tons of jobs + japanese girlies there , I suspect a reason I score so heavily there , in HK is that everybody thinks I am Japanese.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 11 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old company, someone who employs over 50k people all over the world, "advised" all employees not to cycle in to and from work. I use advised because I am not 100% sure they enforced it but the document did state that only in extreme cases would a bicycle be allowed for business use as well. This is the company that carries out the traffic assessments for TFL and wholeheartedly encourages the promotion of cycling within the city and in general.

Stupid american company.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 11 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first joined my company in 2006 I was handed an unsigned and undated letter stating that if I had an accident on my bike they would withhold pay while I was on sick leave. The letter stated that if I failed to respond to it they would assume my acceptance!!!!

So I wrote back to them pointing out my disappointment that this wasn’t brought up at my interview (which I clearly attended by bike) and my disgust at the way I was presented with a crappy mail merge letter where they couldn’t even be bothered to fill in the blanks.

I stated that I would continue to commute on my bike because that was none of their business and I refused to visit any clients unless they agreed to pay to upgrade my bike insurance to cover business use or supply me with a pool car.

I unreservedly rejected their sick pay nonsense on the same basis stated by others already in this thread. They were not banning anyone else from activities that carry risk so why pick on me? I ended my letter saying that if I didn’t hear from them I would take it that they agreed to all my points.

I never heard back from them, but I do have exclusive use of a pool car with a fuel card now which is actually dead handy. Especially if I’m carrying tools and parts. It’s not easy to get a rack mount server on the back of a bike (I know because I’ve tried……. and failed, lol). Maybe a blade server on the back of a Blade….. ? Nah…

Anyway I still commute on the bike most days unless I walk or cycle and I have used the bike several times for work when I’ve had to go into central London or to sites with limited parking. I paid for my own insurance to cover business use (extra £20) and got an agreement for bike use written into my medical cover from work.

My HR department (department is a posh term for a pleasant, but slightly retarded dwarf based in Bangalore) is none the wiser and probably still hasn’t read my letter.
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