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Ben.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

everytime i brake hard the front just locks up and starts skidding along the floor, it happens if im hard on the brakes quick or if i brake hard progresivley, granted im brakeing harder than most cars but its only about 60% of the bikes potential then the front starts bouncing along the road.

Also the bike turns in fine, leaning to about 50% of what the bike can, then it falls really sharply, ive always stood the bike up and not kept the lean angle after its all of all sudden started to decide it wants to go from a 50 degree angle of lean to 40 degrees in about 0.1 of a second, so i dont no wether its got the grip to do that lean.

is it the bike or a combination of shit conditions and a front tire at the end of its life and probably getting squared off (rear tyres got about 500 miles on it)
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm having the falling into corners problem, i know my bike is only a small 125 but it gets to a certain lean then seems to fall in, although i have noticed i've been looking at the road and not where i want to go a lot lately, due to shitty icy roads and damp patches, it just feels different and i've lost confidence in it.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its winter.

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
i'm having the falling into corners problem, i know my bike is only a small 125 but it gets to a certain lean then seems to fall in, although i have noticed i've been looking at the road and not where i want to go a lot lately, due to shitty icy roads and damp patches, it just feels different and i've lost confidence in it.


hmm same sort of... i have been looking at the road a more lately and not just looking round corners ike you would in summer. went out round some fast bends about 80 - 90 mph bends a couple of weeks ago and the bike seemed fine but to be honest i dont think i was leaning that much, it seems to be worse the slower im going.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the front squared off from all the hard braking maybe?
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be tyre condition/pressure.

I locked the front on my shitty bandit brakes yesterday, due to grit Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
Its winter.

HTH


Thumbs Up Spot on.

Cold tyres, cold roads = no grip.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:
everytime i brake hard the front just locks up and starts skidding along the floor, it happens if im hard on the brakes quick or if i brake hard progresivley,


How about you start trying to read the road ahead and not brake so hard. This time of year you need to be using engine to reduce speed a lot more to save on the chance of hitting the deck due to crap road surface and having to brake too hard.


Perhaps if you treated your bike tyre's with a bit more respect, your handling would not be so weird. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Perhaps if you treated your bike tyre's with a bit more respect, your handling would not be so weird. Rolling Eyes


Its only happening because its cold
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got knobberly ones on and drum brakes Laughing

Great fun, back sliding into every roundabout and lights Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like square tyres and on normal road riding tyres always square regardless of what other bikers will tell you cause normal road riding your upright most of the time, I would also check my forks shocks pads lever movement and caliper, yep thats a horrible feeling when the bike drops lower than you intended especially in the wet cause you first thought is its sliding, arrrrrrrrr, good luck
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

How about you start trying to read the road ahead and not brake so hard. This time of year you need to be using engine to reduce speed a lot more to save on the chance of hitting the deck due to crap road surface and having to brake too hard.


Perhaps if you treated your bike tyre's with a bit more respect, your handling would not be so weird. Rolling Eyes


okay so why have a dig at me? get a life.

ever concidered i might be rideing fast... which means you need to break hard to slow down when your going fast.... i dont usually pootle round at 30mph i like to ride the bike hard its funny that isnt it, did that not go for your mind? Of course not its half lyfe hes obviously just shit never pays attention to the road and has to panic break everywhere Rolling Eyes


thanks for the reply guys, gets its just winter and you cant get any sort of speed up.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:

okay so why have a dig at me? get a life.

ever concidered i might be rideing fast... which means you need to break hard to slow down when your going fast.... i dont usually pootle round at 30mph i like to ride the bike hard its funny that isnt it, did that not go for your mind? Of course not its half lyfe hes obviously just shit never pays attention to the road and has to panic break everywhere Rolling Eyes


thanks for the reply guys, gets its just winter and you cant get any sort of speed up.


In this weather you shouldn't be riding to fast as not to be able to stop safely. Read the road and ride to the conditions.

No one is having a dig at you but you are asking a noob question.

Oh and it's BRAKE not break.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your front tyre half lyfe. It may not look squared off as such but may be mishaped from the camber of the road - i.e it'll have a steep side and a less steep side if you get me. I had problems with grip and steering wobble on my hornet - replaced the front tyre and the problem went away.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:


In this weather you shouldn't be riding to fast as not to be able to stop safely. Read the road and ride to the conditions.

No one is having a dig at you but you are asking a noob question.

Oh and it's BRAKE not break.


agreed but look at the way you said it compared to iooi.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: lock ups and wierd handling Reply with quote

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agreed but look at the way you said it compared to iooi.


Mate. I'm not having a dig at you Shocked You seem to manage to dig holes for yourself Laughing

Lets look at the facts...

How many thimes have you crashed in the last 2 years ?
About 10

How many bikes have you wrecked in that period....
I guess about the same.

And you ask a daft question as to why your wheels lock up at this time of year when you brake hard... Rolling Eyes

Even if you are riding fast. If you read the road ahead you do not have to brake that hard.
You do really need to go back to basic's and learn roadcraft.

I bet you would be just like the guy in a BMW in a flat supermarket carpark who managed to get stuck in 1 inch of snow and was pleading with people to give him a push.......
Even old grannies were managing to get round him and out. Laughing
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Its only happening because its cold


So treat them with even more respect.... That bit of rubber is the only thing that keeps you from hitting the floor.
Does the likes of Rossie go blasting round on cold tyre's..... No he makes sure they are warm enough before pushing hard.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing okay

when you do 100mph in 30 zones lets see how well you handle your bike, o wait you dont do it...

granted im a dick for doing 100mph in a 30 zone but thats missing the point, point being he doesnt think i can handle a bike.

reading the road ahead when your doing over tripple the speed that everyone around you is doing... if i didnt read the road ahead and couldnt controll the bike i would be dead.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:
Laughing okay

when you do 100mph in 30 zones lets see how well you handle your bike, o wait you dont do it...

granted im a dick for doing 100mph in a 30 zone but thats missing the point, point being he doesnt think i can handle a bike.

reading the road ahead when your doing over tripple the speed that everyone around you is doing... if i didnt read the road ahead and couldnt controll the bike i would be dead.


you come on a forum asking for advice "I need help on something but i know me driving like a dick causes it". Own question answered, close thread. Tyres don't like constantly going from 100mph to 30mph every 2 seconds, they're designed to be ridden constantly as far as is possible.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

got the answer, i was 70% sure it was down to the weather, was just wondering if anyone else thought it might be something more serious... and no one does Thumbs Up
didnt want to make a thread saying wow look at my skills, so lets just end it.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:
Laughing okay

when you do 100mph in 30 zones lets see how well you handle your bike, o wait you dont do it...

granted im a dick for doing 100mph in a 30 zone but thats missing the point, point being he doesnt think i can handle a bike.

reading the road ahead when your doing over tripple the speed that everyone around you is doing... if i didnt read the road ahead and couldnt controll the bike i would be dead.


lol lets see how many people bite. complete wind up post
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions asked and answered really! Just be interesting to watch the safety bunch take you on.

I know nothing is going to slow you down but at least spare a small thought for the possibility that while riding fast is great fun, sometimes you might need to slow it down and submit to the conditions of the road and your bike.

I hope you don't learn this lesson the hardest possible way, and put your skills into place to become a good all-round driver, owning people on bigger bikes with superior skills, instead of just being a lunatic which most people seem to think you are.

I am not one of the safety nazis, in fact I can't remember the last time I obeyed a speed limit to the letter, however I have learnt from experience there is a time and a place.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some new tyres for it, Brake more progressively. Sorted Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 08 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
lol lets see how many people bite. complete wind up post


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was just wondering if anyone else thought it might be something more serious...


Don't look AT the bike, look at whats on it for the problem Wink

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when you do 100mph in 30 zones lets see how well you handle your bike, o wait you dont do it...


To dam right i don't. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 08 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hal_lyfe you remind me of the guy mentioned in this thread. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 08 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:
Laughing okay

when you do 100mph in 30 zones lets see how well you handle your bike, o wait you dont do it...


OMFG you are my hero. Can i have your autograph and a picture with you?
You are truely legendary to blat at 100 in a 30. Man that makes you just sooooo cool. do the girls at the offy like touch you and stuff? Rolling Eyes
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