Car audio mods.

[c_dug]

Not sure if im going to get much of a responce, being a bike forum and all , anyway...

Ive been helping a friend set up his sound system in his car, its been a bit of an ongoing project but for christmas he's got what seem like some pretty decent bits coming from family and his girlfriend so it should be sorted soon.

Neither of us had heard of the company before but on paper everything looks good. The company is called "TheLoudest" if anybodies heard of them? Anybody know what is their kit is like? Heres a web link if anybody wants a look for themselves TheLoudest

Anyway, we're planning on installing a 3000W sub (1000W rms) and a set of 2000w 6x9's (350w rms) all amped. in the near future were hoping to add some 350W front door speakers to the set up.
This is all going to be running off of the standard 12v battery so i was wondering if its going to be worth installing a power capacitor or not? If so, any reccomendations for make and size?

Also what kind of system have you guys got installed?

cheers

c_dug

p.s. please try and withhold on the "chav" comments
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[t121anf]

6x9s, nuff said, shit shit shit shit shit shit

[owdamer]

[t121anf]

oh and on a more serious note, you ever been to a concert with speakers behind you?

pay more and get the speakers in the front setup properly and fuck the parcel shelf crap off.

[Barry_M2]

A capacitor will only help with your sub.

How many amps are you planning on using?

Personally, I'd run the sub off a mono amp, and rear's and front components off a 4 chan.

If you find the lights dim a little on the basey notes with it cranked up, then I'd put in a cap. Otherwise dont waste your money for the time being. Spend it on decent cabling and decent amps.
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[MarJay]

why does anyone need a 3000w sub?

Surely as soon as its loud enough to deafen with clear smooth sound quality, you don't need any more?
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[The Shaggy D.A.]

And whilst I think about it, 1000W RMS would only be about 1400W peak, so where does the 3000W figure come from?
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[Rhys]

I've got a 3000w Pioneer Sub, with a 2000w Amp that wont be putting out that claim but it meets the subs 1000w Rms. I have my 6x9s amped aswell and played with the amps filters so they play loud clear sound, playing hardly any bass at all so they dont distort. With some changes on my HU even if I play it at nearly full wack the mixture of sound is just right. Not like where the bass just drowning everything else out.

Yes it can be thumpy drowny chavvy bass if you want it to be by changing HU controls, but at low volumes theres a good sounding bass fill in which when you take the sub out the music doesnt sound right. I've listened to all sorts of music on it, be it rock/pop/trance/even classical for a pisstake (where the thudders and deep sounds fill in great) and with right sensible settings its not obscene.

If you do want to be abit in your face, get that 8000w Theloudest Mono amp, its about 200quid, put that with two Kicker 3000w subs, 2 of my Pioneer 3000 ones or them ones which you posted. Ive heard a kicker setup on one of those and he only put it to 1/3 volume it was shaking the steering wheel violently and really just making me feel sick which was abit.... too much and not really needed unless you want everyone to look at you while you feel awfull!
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[Barry_M2]

I had a 'chav' system in my Supra, purely for the sound quality. I never had it 'booming' loud.

Until you listed to music through decent speakers with good quality amps and cabling supplying them, then you wont know what a HUGE improvement it is over a standard incar stereo. It does make a very big difference.


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[colin1]

wattage doesnt mean you have to have it loud, it just means that the speakers can respond quickly with no distortion

the rms figure he quoted is a truer figure, ie 1000 rather than 3000

a decent sub really does flesh out sound

for a while, i used to connect a 100w(rms) bass guitar amp to my stereo to use as a sub woofer, not for loudness, but it really did flesh out bass response, giving a richer deeper sound

the human ear is very sensitive to mid range frequencies, but low frequencies need a hell of lot more power to be reproduced faithfully
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[jayvfr]

The advice I was always given is generally try to avoid 6x9's if you can. From the sounds of it you won't need them anyway as the bass you're after you should easily achieve with the sub. 6x9's are supposed to be a cheap all-rounder really, but as with most things, they won't give as well as a set of seperates.

If you're serious about your sound quality then focus on getting some decent mids for the back and a very decent set of comps for the front. The comps will give all the detail at the high and mid range for the front, the mids in the back will help the ambience and the sub is there for all the lower notes. That way you should't just get noise but decent enough sound at all volume levels.

Use some decent enough amps that focus on sound quality rather than "wattage" and you'll not really want any more power unless you are into "DB drags" in which case, don't buy cheap!

I had a good set up in the last motor but I haven't got round to installing it in the winter hack (not sure it's worth it yet). With one good 12" sub and amp it was easily better at volume than a guy I know's twin 15" budget bass box, and cost about the same!

It's all down to personal preference though, if you're all about wattage then that's fair enough, but if you actually want to listen to music then you're aiming in the wrong direction.

https://caraudiodirect.co.uk/ if you want some very decent kit at really decent prices. They haven't let me down before and they do some very good combo deals!




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[jayvfr]

Forgot to mention, power caps are not worth it, get a decent battery (designed for audio purposes) and you shouldn't need any caps. Power caps are generally and mostly for show, although if that's what you're after that's fair enough. But don't forget to upgrade your battery if you are getting serious as a cap will never make up for a crap battery.
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6x9's = lose
6x9's + sub = double lose, the sub will kill them before long.
sub = win

[Ariel Badger]

The first thing to question when building a system is to examine what music you will be listening to.
If you mostly listen to Garage you will need a more Bass biased set up than if R&B is what gets you going. The same with Jazz, Hip-Hop or even Clasical.
Your system seems ideal for this...https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uja3W-ibifc
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I've got some Fusion 6.5 inch speakers mounted in my front doors along with the tweeters that came with them hiding in the dash, they had these little boxes that came with them that I assume was for high frequency bass or something for the tweeters but I can't turn it up too loud because the tweeters start to crackle.

Plan is to find someone who knows what they're doing and get them to wire them up properly and mount the same Fusion speakers in the rear doors and buy a couple of Subs and amps and maybe a new head unit. CD changer has just killed itself as well so need to get a new one of them. Listen to it all my music on my iPod though so use the tape deck with a cable thingy, definitley want to get a new head unit I can plud the Pod into directly and charges it and have some sort of a mount on the dash. Mmmm I love music
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[c_dug]

In my experience fusion stuff doesnt seem to be great quality, the amps always seem to go wrong, it does look cool though

Back to my friends car, i think the CHAV comments are kind of justified, i wont give it away but im sure with a few guesses you could work out what car it is, the sound system is already worth more than the car, his argument is that he can swap it into his next car and the one after etc..., it makes sence to me.

He listens to a bit of everything music wise so its not really that easy to buy speakers to match his music tastes, the comments about the 6x9's being drowned out by the sub are probably right however with a bit of fiddling we hope to get them set up kind of how Rhys said, so that it sounds good at all volumes.

The reson i mentioned getting a cap was that the lights on the sterio and dash are already dimming slightly when the volume is right up high, to be honest i think this is more his battery being on the way out than anything else, Ive set up quite a few systems for friends now so i have a reasonably good idea of what im doing, the bit i always struggle on is setting up the amp, it normaly comes down to trial and error but in the end i get there any tips on setting up the amp correctly first time?

Also what kind of thing makes a car battery better for running sound systems, is it just a higher AH rating? (ive just googled this and i think ive answered my own question but id still like to hear your replys)


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[jayvfr]

Well it sounds like you're not daft (I could be wrong though ) and you might end up with a decent set up from the sounds of it.

If you can afford it (not many can, I bloody can't!) then aim for either an Optima red or yellow top battery, you can probably get a better battery these days but these used to always be the benchmark and to be honest they are still pretty damn good. (if you can't tell I'm going on what I remember...It was a while ago).

Definitely sounds like his battery is on the way out mind, even just a Hellfrauds replacement would be much better.

I'll post up some set up advice once I've found it on an old forum I used to be on.


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[Whosthedaddy]

What car will this be going into to?

[jayvfr]

[c_dug]

It's going into a MkIV fiesta, like i said the sound system will be worth more than the car, to his credit the car isnt really chavved out, although its not exactly in good condition

Cheers for the advise so far guys, ill pop some pictures up after xmas for your entertainment, dont expect anything fancy looking though, neither of us has the skills, time or patience to do anything good looking in the boot, as long as it sounds the part thats whats important.

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