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Itchy
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Some general brake line questions Reply with quote

Just curious as I'm about to order some SS lines for the Africa....

But what advantages do each of the configurations confer? .

ie apparently ACU rules need you to have a full length brake hose for each caliper , while most road bikes I've seen happen to have one hose a splitter banjo just before the caliper which then goes into the other caliper...

Surely the second configuration means less weight ? or is there something else at play here? . cost saving measure perhaps?

(though that said I'm thinking of removing a caliper and a disc from the Afrrica to lose some weight off it)

Also other than perhaps aerodynamics why radial master cylinders compared to the traditional cube ones?.


Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: 21:44 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigger question in your case is whether to buy a swagged un-rebuildable set up or a screw together rebuildable type.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the second setting you save literally a few grams.

With the top set up you get a more even amount of pressure at each caliper when compared to the second set up. On the second set up the pressure will be higher at the caliper which is visited first. Thumbs Up

I don't know why the ACU specificy that any splits in brake lines must occur above the bottom yoke though. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Some general brake line questions Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

Also other than perhaps aerodynamics why radial master cylinders compared to the traditional cube ones?.


I think radial cylinders are meant to offer more feel or something weird.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
most road bikes I've seen happen to have one hose a splitter banjo just before the caliper which then goes into the other caliper...


To me, there's less maintenance (one less master cylinder and one less brake line) and this is how the bike came, so there's no problem to overcome by fitting another seperate brake line and all that it entails. I'm not into racing so much, but I would like to know if there's a performance gain with seperate brake lines, this is an interesting subject Thumbs Up.

Itchy wrote:
(though that said I'm thinking of removing a caliper and a disc from the Afrrica to lose some weight off it)


For the nominal weight gain you would get from removing a disc and caliper, I wouldn't do it. I considered doing this on my bike to halve the maintenance required on the front brakes. But if I'm on a RTW trip and one brake/disc does fail, surely I mightaswell enjoy the performance of two front brakes until then, then bung up/take the other one off if/when it does break. Unless the brakes on the AT are particularly heavy, and other people have done it to good effect.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 02 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think ACU rules specify that you cannot have a splitter below the bottom yoke. Think you can have a split above the bottom yoke. Think this is just to reduce the chances of a hose being snagged in a race incident.

I can see no reason at all that a pair of full line hoses would offer any different feel than a conventional road bike setup. Whole point of a hydraulic system is that there is equal pressure throughout it.

Suspect the main reason for conventional two line race setup is that they are cheaper than a 3 line setup with a splitter.

Also can see no real reason a 2 line setup should be easier to bleed. And a two line setup has a greater length of hose to expand.

I suspect with radial master cylinders the advantage is less movement of the contact patch between the lever and the piston as the lever moves. While in reality there may be advantages with lever ratios and master cylinder sizes I expect you can get the same with a conventional m/c.

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PostPosted: 20:15 - 03 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think ACU rules specify that you cannot have a splitter below the bottom yoke. Think you can have a split above the bottom yoke. Think this is just to reduce the chances of a hose being snagged in a race incident.

I can see no reason at all that a pair of full line hoses would offer any different feel than a conventional road bike setup. Whole point of a hydraulic system is that there is equal pressure throughout it.




Fair, and I'm simply quoting what I heard from Crescent regarding the lever pressure.
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